017. From Bill Cosby to Fox News and Beyond: Carla Showell-Lee [Deputy Chief Officer of Integrated Communications - SEPTA]

Ever wonder what it's like to drive Bill Cosby around or be his audience coordinator? With a career that has spanned from live television to crisis communication in one of the busiest public transportation systems in the country, our guest this week, Carla Showell-Lee, has plenty of captivating tales to tell. Join us as we dive into Carla's career, discussing her most fascinating experiences, including her time as Cosby's driver and audience coordinator. We get a glimpse of the comedic side of Carla and how Cosby influenced her desire to take up stand-up comedy.

Have you ever found live interviews daunting? Carla shares her wisdom about overcoming fear and nervousness in front of the camera. We touch on the intimidating interviews and how to deal with them. Don't miss her relatable insights into the fear factor in live television and her strategies to conquer it. She also talks about how her career took a turn from being a Mary Kay consultant to becoming a deputy chief officer of integrated communication programs at SEPTA.

Finally, we peel back the layers a bit more to discover the person behind the public relations whiz. Carla opens up about her family, their influence on her life, and her involvement with an organization that empowers young women of color, Evoluer House. This episode is a real treat if you're keen on understanding the force that drives successful individuals and the essence that keeps them grounded. So tune in, sit back, and prepare to be inspired!

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Transcript

00:02 - Stacey (Host)
Mark Stacy, did you ever know someone who sparkles when they talk? 

00:09 - Mark (Host)
That's a great description, right. 

00:11 - Stacey (Host)
That's a great thing she does, right? I mean Carla Sholey. She has this like sparkle glimmer in her eye when she talks and you just want to listen to her. 

00:21 - Mark (Host)
Yeah. Yeah, there's like smile talkers. I know a lot of smile talkers, but she's at a different level. She's like a sparkle talker Sparkle talker, sparkle talker, sparkle talker. 

00:30 - Stacey (Host)
But also she's got this like past, this background that's so varied and so cool, and she has, like you, talked to her and she's in this job where she is working for transportation, for. 

00:40 - Carla (Guest)
SEPTA which sounds boring. 

00:42 - Stacey (Host)
Southeastern Pennsylvania Transport Association. Is that what it is? 

00:46 - Mark (Host)
Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority. 

00:48 - Stacey (Host)
Thank you, you're welcome, which you hear about in the news 16 times a day because, something's happening to a train, something's happening to a bus. Something's happening to a bus, so she has this career where she's in communications for SEPTA. But she also talks about how she wanted to be comedian when she was young. She loves production. She talks about her time with Mr Cosby. 

01:06 - Mark (Host)
Mr Cosby, bill Cosby, on his reboot of you Bet your. 

01:09 - Stacey (Host)
Life Very interesting. She drove from around. 

01:11 - Mark (Host)
She had dinner with him. Celebrities in the car all the time picking him up at the airport. 

01:15 - Stacey (Host)
Stories. She didn't get into details but it is interesting. That's good stuff there. She has a really successful show, like that news show I can't remember, yeah when she actually interviewed people and jumped. She was on camera. 

01:30 - Carla (Guest)
All the time. And she should be, because the camera loves her. So you got to watch this on YouTube everybody too. 

01:35 - Stacey (Host)
But I think you're really, really, really going to enjoy listening to and hearing from Carla Shoalini. Enjoy. Hi, I'm Stacy. 

01:46 - Mark (Host)
And I am Mark, and this is the Guru's a Game Changers Podcast. 

01:53 - Stacey (Host)
Hello Gurus, hello Game Changers, and we are coming to you live again from Mainline Studios today. We're extremely excited to welcome Carla Shoalini to the show today. 

02:05 - Carla (Guest)
Hello, Stacy. George, move it to Carla because I'm reading this. 

02:09 - Stacey (Host)
Carla is a former broadcaster, media spokesperson, reporter and producer working in fast-paced news and entertainment environments in the past KYW, wrti, fox News, discovery Channel and more. She served as senior host and producer for CNA's Comcast Newsmaker, an issue-oriented news program featured on CNN headline news so cool. And now Carla serves as deputy chief officer of integrated communication programs at SEPTA. Welcome, carla, so happy to have you here. 

02:43 - Carla (Guest)
Thank you for inviting me, stacy and Mark, thanks to you, it's nice to meet you as well. 

02:47 - Mark (Host)
So wait, I have to ask you a question to make sure we all understand this. I don't, what does a deputy chief officer of integrated communications do at SEPTA? Septa, for those of you who don't know, is Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority. It's the transportation system of Southeastern Pennsylvania, essentially, and you are in charge of integrated communication. Just briefly, what is that? 

03:09 - Carla (Guest)
It's a new title. 

03:10 - Mark (Host)
It's a new position. 

03:11 - Carla (Guest)
It's never been like we always had a communications department but we never had a communications department but we never had a deputy. So we had someone in charge of communication. So you have the chief communications officer and then you have the deputy chief officer and all I really kind of essentially do is make sure that people are talking. Like a lot of our departments, they work in silos, and so my goal is to always pull people out of their silos and connect the department. So I've really kind of advocated for this position because it's a great story. 

03:46
Well, you know, it was kind of like I was the director of meeting relations and that position was probably my scariest career move ever, because I just was not comfortable being on that side of the camera. I was always being in the position of the two of you. I was asking the question and it was really hard for me to actually be asked. Questions about an organization that I really knew nothing about was so scary to me, you know. 

04:14
I mean you think about a press conference and people are throwing questions at you all these reporters standing there and I did that for almost five years and I just finally said you know what. 

04:23 - Mark (Host)
this is not why it's so you're doing crisis communication and things. 

04:26 - Carla (Guest)
That's a tough job. Oh, it's a tough job. 

04:30 - Mark (Host)
I don't know how you mentally prepare to step up in front of the media, knowing they're going to have a lot on you. Yeah Well, I don't think that's their goal, but they want you to answer the questions that you know, are are tough Right and I remember we had it when I got there. 

04:45 - Carla (Guest)
we had someone who got hit by a train Right. Our station, right in, you know, headquarters, is at 13th street. So right below the L someone, someone just stepped right out into the train and they were killed. 

05:01 - Stacey (Host)
And that was my first, that was your first media. 

05:04 - Carla (Guest)
Oh my gosh, you know, I'm looking around to say who can talk about this. 

05:09 - Stacey (Host)
It's going to be jumping in here I'm going to be talking about this. 

05:12 - Carla (Guest)
So that was really a pivotal moment for me and I thought, okay, this is the way Go, in that year we had. We had that happen. We had, oh my gosh, we had. Our trains had a crack in them so we had to take 100 and come on trains off of the system. We had that. We had the Eagles winning the Super Bowl. We had villain Nova becoming champions. 

05:34 - Mark (Host)
Like this is Carla who has to step in front of the camera and speak on behalf of the company. 

05:42 - Stacey (Host)
I was like oh, now I had to really learn. 

05:45 - Carla (Guest)
It's a totally different field. 

05:46 - Mark (Host)
It really is it really is. 

05:48 - Carla (Guest)
And so I had to go and really I advocated for myself and talk to the CEO at the time, because they were really putting a position of chief officer of communications together and I was thinking, well, I wonder if that's something I want to do to become the chief. So we talked it through and I really didn't want to do that because at the time I had two parents who were ailing in health. I have a son who's on the autism spectrum. I had so many things in my personal life. 

06:16
I have a brother who has cerebral palsy and I knew that I didn't want to stop position, but I knew that I could definitely be in a position where I could pull people into to communicate with the position called deputy chief officer of integrated communication programs. And that is what I do. I initiate programs that will help really tell the story of a set up to internally. 

06:39 - Mark (Host)
Tell the story of stuff to internally, to the team. How many people internally? There's 9000 people. Yeah, that's a lot of work. 

06:46 - Carla (Guest)
So what does a? 

06:47 - Mark (Host)
good day. If you go home and you like feed up, that was a good day. What did you? What happened? 

06:52 - Carla (Guest)
that day. You know, I think a good day for me would be that we did a story that really spoke to the essence of our employees, because I love telling stories, I love writing, I love, I love communicating, I love, I love getting to the heart of why an employee chooses the job that they chosen to work at, etc. So, telling those stories and working with the team, I really my, my my team is kind of put together through. I kind of inherited them, wasn't anyone that I hired? But I love my team. It's only two people I have on my team, but it seems like I have a whole team of communicators within the the division, though, you know, because we all work together, right, so that's what makes it exciting. 

07:43
So we really kind of carved out this little piece of the company where we can go around with our cameras and tell the stories of the employee. 

07:55 - Stacey (Host)
That's amazing. 

07:56 - Carla (Guest)
That's what we do, and this is the first time that we show videos of, and we put all kinds of things, things together, and I'm a creative person. Yeah so we think of everything we've done. We've done TikTok videos. We've done where we had a. We were trying to show, showcase women working at SEPTA, so we had them. Well, the song was more with Katie. 

08:22 - Stacey (Host)
Perry. 

08:22 - Carla (Guest)
Oh, and we did that song and we had all the women you know riding the train and another woman who was riding these big trucks because they have to go out and pull the buses. It was all women in these. Really. Quote unquote men. Yeah, so this was something that was unheard of at SEPTA, so we were able to tell those kinds of stories and that makes it exciting and we can share it on social media too yeah. So, we don't have to just keep it inside. We can also share it externally. 

08:53 - Stacey (Host)
Externally too. Yeah, that's awesome. You have a very career that I mean. You weren't always a communication executive, although, like you were in broadcasting, so I guess that could be sort of in the same realm. 

09:04 - Carla (Guest)
I guess so, but I didn't work on the corporate side. I was, you know, behind the camera. So it was kind of like that. That's different for me. This is the first time I'm inside, kind of you know, staring the salt when we were Out front, kind of you know people telling us what to do and then we go out there and execute. 

09:24 - Stacey (Host)
It was just different. 

09:25 - Carla (Guest)
It was just different. I wasn't behind. I wasn't behind the scenes, I was in front of the camera, so it was very different. 

09:31 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah. Well, tell me sort of more about like your past, yeah, and like you know how. How did Carla, you know, start out and how did she get to where she is? 

09:40 - Carla (Guest)
today. 

09:40 - Stacey (Host)
I know people probably. 

09:44 - Carla (Guest)
I knew ever since I was nine years old that I wanted to go in the broadcast. 

09:51 - Mark (Host)
Yeah. 

09:52 - Carla (Guest)
I used to see someone like Lisa Thomas Laurie. She's so sharp and she's put together and the way she moved, I wanted to mimic her. So I was so excited that, you know, when I graduated from college by the way, I was not a One of those Academians like I, didn't, you know, say, oh, I'm going to college as soon as I get out of high school. 

10:12
I had to have some family members saying you better get real, you want to get a job, you better go to college, and so that my uncle gave me my first $500 my sister had taken all of our money, so I had to ride away. Because she goes to college 15 minutes down the road, right, and she was home every weekend. So all the money Her I transferred from community to Temple University and graduated from Temple with a broadcast journalism degree. Wow and I, since I didn't have the money and had to work my way through college. 

10:54
I literally Really what did I do? Wrti jazz. I went back there and volunteered. And yes at the same, you know, and jazz ideas right there at jazz, I mean yes, so I was their reporter. So I worked there for a few years and that job gave me my first paying job at a YW these radio, wow yeah, and. I was production assistant, being paid $5 and $0.50 an hour. 

11:18 - Mark (Host)
I was I was like whoa, I made it loving it. Maria. Just Just they gave us a chat story. So impressive. It's a pretty good. More there's more coming it's it gets more impressive. 

11:31 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, and Cassie says love this idea for a show on market. 

11:34 - Mark (Host)
Thank you, John is laughing. 

11:42 - Carla (Guest)
I mean, well, it did. It gave me my first paying job and then I worked there and it was the most difficult job because I worked On the morning show. Do you guys remember Pat for neck? 

11:51 - Stacey (Host)
Oh yeah, oh my gosh. 

11:52 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, harry, donnie that was your classic. I was working at four o'clock in the morning till 12 o'clock in the afternoon Was very, very scared of that job because they were cursing out the news brain. 

12:12 - Mark (Host)
They was never. 

12:12 - Carla (Guest)
It was never that they were able to you know, tell you often and and scare you into the next level. 

12:18 - Mark (Host)
So I was the total. Yes. 

12:29 - Carla (Guest)
I was an opportunity for me to move from being Assistant to Uh-huh, you were Bill Cosby's driver. 

12:39 - Stacey (Host)
Let me tell you it's. I don't know. There's a lot here. This is good. There's a show called you bet your life. I remember the. 

12:44 - Mark (Host)
Cosby show, but it was a reboot. Right, it was a reboot of. Groucho Marx. Yeah, eventually J I know. 

12:51 - Carla (Guest)
Exactly so. Here I was driving a 15 passenger van of Celebrities from the airport to their hotel and I would stand up in the airport and literally hold a sign up and say you bet your life will cause me show, and I was so excited about that job. 

13:09 - Mark (Host)
Show up in your van. 

13:10 - Carla (Guest)
Oh my goodness, kelly revka. 

13:11 - Mark (Host)
Okay. 

13:12 - Carla (Guest)
She's one of the people I'm trying to think oh, there was a lot of so far. 

13:19 - Mark (Host)
Yes, and I didn't know them at the time. 

13:20 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, when I looked and I saw all that. 

13:26 - Stacey (Host)
Are you nervous driving like? 

13:32 - Carla (Guest)
Every car I Did, I drove up on sidewalks. 

13:36 - Stacey (Host)
Oh my god. 

13:37 - Carla (Guest)
I look back. It was crazy. 

13:38 - Stacey (Host)
I didn't teach you how to drive. 

13:43 - Carla (Guest)
I would drive in my heels because I you know. My mother always said dress for your next job. So I was always sharp and so very good advice and that's what I did, and so that that's what gave me the next position, because they said that person driving that Come walking in there with my little skirt on my little heels, and that's how I became his audience. 

14:05 - Mark (Host)
His audience? For that's actually what I want to ask, because you were his driver for a while, but then you moved on to where he's going to shell says Carla is an amazing, great leader, great woman, amazing spirit. Is that so sweet? And? 

14:21 - Stacey (Host)
then they want to know about Bill Cosby. Carlisle, do tell. 

14:25 - Mark (Host)
So so you became his audience coordinator. You in your bio and so many info that we had on you, it said you. You were able to creatively fill his audience three shows a day, four days a week. That's an astounding accomplishment. How do you? How big of an audience did he have? 

14:42 - Carla (Guest)
it Well, we and we filled it. You know why? Because we got creative, having the entire equals football team. 

14:51 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, oh yeah, how about? 

14:52 - Carla (Guest)
have his whole fraternity come in. 

14:54 - Mark (Host)
Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah, we had a great of ways to kind of fill those seats. 

14:58 - Stacey (Host)
It was free ticket. That was free tickets, right. 

15:00 - Carla (Guest)
And we have VIP what time did? It take. It would take it four o'clock in the afternoon. 

15:04 - Mark (Host)
We had two times four o'clock and six o'clock yeah who treated you the best when you were just a driver? I say just, you were the low person. And who would you look back on and say that person? 

15:21 - Carla (Guest)
Everyone really. When they got into the van, they were more nervous about being in the show, so they were nervous about your driving. It taught me how to weave my way through the city, because I didn't know how to you know, I didn't know anything about the city either, so imagine taking on this job. So, but guess who came to the show which got me my next job? Remember Ray Murray, yes evening magazine. 

15:55 - Stacey (Host)
We, we. He came to Ray. 

15:56 - Carla (Guest)
Murray, did you talk to Ray? Yeah, Ray Murray was the host of evening magazine and along with Openness there was someone else that he hosted with. But anyway, he came to the show and I started talking to him telling him I wanted to work in television and I was like Communicating, and it ended up that he said to me a resume and that's what I did, and that's how I started working for his television production company, banyan production. Do you know Banyan, banyan, banyan was the ball. 

16:31 - Mark (Host)
There's studio and freemos. Yeah, very nice. 

16:40 - Carla (Guest)
I'm loving this cow Okay that's fair couch is very, very golden. 

16:44 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, we know of our market live crew. We're live again. It's, it's wonderful. 

16:52 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, this is nice, we're getting off track. No. 

16:54 - Mark (Host)
I'm sorry, I don't know, Wait. 

16:59 - Carla (Guest)
I have something, yeah, so in all, Coming up in the world on broadcast. 

17:03 - Stacey (Host)
Uh-huh, you said to me one time that you wanted to be a stand-up comedian. Yeah so is that because of Bill Cosby, or like did you know it? 

17:12 - Carla (Guest)
really didn't like. My comedy was kind of like in high school Okay I was, I was the class clown, I was a cutoff. I I did some really crazy things like what you know, like you know, changing the time of the clock back so that the teacher would think that the class was over when he walked in. We were like I mean, I mean I was. It was a teacher who said he wrote it down and he says you need to look into this when you're. 

17:47 - Mark (Host)
Being a comedian? Yeah, well, comedy yeah maybe in comedy. 

17:51 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, so that's how I come. So that kind of maybe thick then, but it wasn't until like years later that I started thinking, well, I'm kind of funny and so maybe I could, but then it didn't go that way. You know like no. And I was always on a serious television show, like I mean, you imagine but but your life was really serious. Well, you met your life. It was comedy but it was different because I made people feel comfortable. 

18:22
So my comedy how to me, folks feel like, oh, I can settle it. Do you know, that's how I come in. 

18:28 - Mark (Host)
Did you warm up the audience also? Was that your talk about it? 

18:30 - Carla (Guest)
No, that was a guy by the name of oh my goodness, black guy. Oh, we don't even see him now. His name is Bill Eddie Murphy Bill. 

18:41 - Mark (Host)
Eddie Murphy Warming up an audience from Bill Fos Bill. 

18:44 - Stacey (Host)
Vixby no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, anyway, he used to warm up the audience. Sorry, whoever you were. 

18:50 - Carla (Guest)
He would warm up the audience. 

18:51 - Stacey (Host)
I know if you're watching just tell me who you are. 

18:54 - Carla (Guest)
I forget his name, but he warmed up the audience and he was excellent. 

18:58 - Stacey (Host)
Did you talk to Bill Cosby? Did you have any sort of relationship? 

19:01 - Carla (Guest)
with him. 

19:02 - Mark (Host)
What's going on? Was he a driver? 

19:03 - Stacey (Host)
I did. 

19:03 - Carla (Guest)
I did. It's funny he had his folks around him, so whatever reason he invited me and a few other people to New York and we had dinner in New York City and he would bring out this lot of cash and we'd go to jazz shows and he would give us money for the driver. 

19:22 - Stacey (Host)
Is this happening a lot? No, just about one time. 

19:25 - Mark (Host)
Just about one time. Yeah, he was like you're not taking all my money. 

19:29 - Carla (Guest)
So I mean, we just always had a good time he would ever, now, and then he would say little things that were encouraging. Do you know? 

19:34 - Stacey (Host)
like he wasn't. 

19:36 - Carla (Guest)
See him nothing negative. 

19:37 - Stacey (Host)
Nothing negative. 

19:38 - Carla (Guest)
It was never, ever in my, you know purview it was never, ever. I didn't see any of that. 

19:47 - Mark (Host)
Anything out of the ordinary, so you can imagine that's shock. Oh, you must have been shocked. I was gonna ask you about that Right years later, you see him and you think wow, how did that happen? 

19:58 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, how did that happen. You never know, what's happening. 

20:00 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, I did think I was telling you one thing. I felt like he was a little odd. He had dark sunglasses on at dinner sitting in a restaurant. 

20:09 - Mark (Host)
Yeah. 

20:10 - Carla (Guest)
Why. 

20:11 - Mark (Host)
He's not more of a celebrity thing. Is that how you've heard of? 

20:13 - Carla (Guest)
all I don't know, I don't know, but he was always very respectful you know, In my dealing with him. 

20:20 - Mark (Host)
Thank God. 

20:21 - Carla (Guest)
But I just thought that was kind of like take off the sunglasses, Get to know him. 

20:25 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, maybe he didn't. 

20:27 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, I did that Wow. So yeah, so that mean you went from there. I went from there to producing for television and then finally landed a, and I was a reporter too, and I used to report on cows and make up stories while I was on the air. 

20:39 - Stacey (Host)
On cows. 

20:40 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, I mean Wait there's a story here. 

20:42 - Stacey (Host)
Well, I remember. 

20:44 - Carla (Guest)
I was working at a radio station called WCOJ radio. And that was all that was out there. Still Pennsylvania Like what's up. 

20:51 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, shout out, Coach Bill, we love you. 

20:52 - Carla (Guest)
Coach. 

20:53 - Mark (Host)
Bill, coach Bill, I love you. I love you too, right out there. I love Coach Bill, I love Coach Bill. 

20:57 - Carla (Guest)
My mom actually was a gospel singer and she lived out in Coach Bill, but anyway. So what was out in Coach Bill, that's when I reported on and it was a very. It was an interesting time period because when Bill Cosby it was, I made the decision to go to. That's when I had to go to dinner with him and I made the decision to leave my job that day to go to dinner with him, and then they decided to get rid of me when I came back. 

21:24 - Mark (Host)
So, and that's good, it all worked out. 

21:26 - Carla (Guest)
It all worked out because I pursued some other things and I was able to still continue to work on television Like after that. 

21:33 - Mark (Host)
Let's see what did. 

21:34 - Carla (Guest)
I do. After that gosh I don't remember the order, I think I WCOJ. Then I went to the news channel was a new startup television show where you read the news on the air and they turned the pages so it was kind of reading live on the air. 

21:49 - Stacey (Host)
It was a very different concept. The video, it was a video of it, and then you were just going like this and then the pages would turn Right. 

21:57 - Mark (Host)
At one point that was so novel. Yes, it exactly, and people wanted to watch it before CNN and all of that. Oh my gosh we have to get her and DB together yeah. 

22:06 - Stacey (Host)
You see what there's a friend of ours, that we know that, that you guys could probably talk. Oh really, you guys could probably get it off Talk shop. 

22:12 - Carla (Guest)
Oh yeah, there's so many great ideas out there at that time. You know, some things worked and some things didn't. 

22:17 - Mark (Host)
Yeah. 

22:18 - Carla (Guest)
And that was one thing that didn't work. We did it for five years. 

22:20 - Mark (Host)
Did you really? Yeah, that's a long time for an experiment. 

22:24 - Stacey (Host)
It was Was there someone along the way that helped you and entered you in these roles so many? Or were you just from so many people, so many people Like, how did you so many? 

22:31 - Carla (Guest)
people, and I think that's why, stacey, I am so determined that whenever I step into a arena and I see opportunity that I want to shout out to me. 

22:41 - Mark (Host)
You know, like Michelle has been. I told her, I said whenever. 

22:44 - Carla (Guest)
I'm in a room full of opportunity. I'm going to shout out people's names Lujín you know all the people that might be watching me, you know, because I feel like someone always helped me get to the next level. So I really do want to give back, and so I've been to a lot of young girls yeah, young women that come into SEPTA. They come in my office and I always make time for people because someone always made time for me Always made time for me. 

23:07 - Stacey (Host)
You remember one person specifically, who. 

23:10 - Carla (Guest)
There was a woman by the name of Susan Greater-X. When I was working at the news channel, she used to butcher my stuff butcher it. That's a good name, I would think it was so good and I would give it to her. And she was an editor, yeah, she would tear it up. She would just rip it up and I would think wait, what did you do? But she taught me how to write. 

23:29 - Mark (Host)
Wow, she taught me how to write, yeah. 

23:32 - Carla (Guest)
And that was, along the way, the people that were the hardest on me, isn't that? 

23:36 - Stacey (Host)
the truth Always. 

23:37 - Mark (Host)
That's why I love you and would you stop at the door? I don't want you to be hard on me anymore, Mark. 

23:42 - Stacey (Host)
I'm good, I'm sorry yeah. 

23:45 - Mark (Host)
Oh so he does it to you, we do it to each other. Believe me, I get my share, yeah. 

23:50 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, you know it's so much better. Not an easy job, someone's got to do it. I'm so much more comfortable being on your side. 

23:56 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, I'll bet. Do you want to switch? 

23:58 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, I'll be next to Mark. Yeah, let's do it. 

24:02 - Mark (Host)
I said to Stacy before we were talking about having you on, I was like I feel like she reminds me of the character in Billy Joel's Piano man where she has this corporate job. You know, like I'm talking to Davey, who's still in the Navy and probably will be for life, but the other guy, someday he's going to be a movie star and you live that other life and even though you left that life, it's still in there and that's kind of what you want to be doing. So wherever you can do it, percepta you're doing it. 

24:28 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, right, exactly Because this is your core. 

24:31 - Mark (Host)
It's your core. 

24:32 - Carla (Guest)
Like whatever my core is your why. 

24:34 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, that's my why. 

24:35 - Carla (Guest)
That's exactly what it is, because I'm not done yet. I feel like I'm just getting ready to begin, like all of those things were supposed to be done so that I can get to this next level where I want to go. You know, like I just feel so strongly about that and that's what makes it exciting, that's what makes me get up every day and I go to work, because I feel like this is all for a reason. You know, and plus, my husband would kill me if I did. 

25:00 - Stacey (Host)
Always that, always that I got to give him a major shot of chat. Here we go. Where is he? Is he on? 

25:04 - Carla (Guest)
I know he's watching Albert Lee. 

25:07 - Stacey (Host)
Come on, albert, do something in the chat for us. 

25:09 - Mark (Host)
We're inspiring people. Ok, I'm so inspired right now. 

25:13 - Stacey (Host)
Nancy, Thanks Nancy, Thank you Nancy. 

25:17 - Carla (Guest)
No, because I mean I have not worked a little bit and worked a little bit and he has put up with those highs and lows that are in television, as you know. 

25:26 - Mark (Host)
You mentioned that. 

25:27 - Carla (Guest)
And you do it all and he's stuck by me. I mean, my longest run was with Comcast. For almost 10 years I was host of that show and he was like thank god. 

25:38 - Stacey (Host)
So you were host of the show. What was the show called? 

25:41 - Carla (Guest)
Comcast Newsmakers, and what was it about? 

25:43 - Stacey (Host)
I remember like this. 

25:46 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, it was a desk set up and the person would sit on the other side and I would interview them. We would interview no lie like 20 people a day. 

25:54 - Mark (Host)
A day. 

25:54 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, so there were five minute interviews. 

25:56 - Stacey (Host)
You need to be doing this. Yeah, they were five minute interviews. 

26:01 - Carla (Guest)
Five minute interviews and that you would have time to sit there, jot down some notes and you'll go five, four, three, two, one. You say hello, I'm Carla Sholey, and this is Comcast. 

26:10 - Mark (Host)
Newsmakers and the music would start. Yeah, I'm having a flashback and now I remember you won that show. That's insane, oh my gosh. I said I remember that show when you just said it. I'm like, oh, I don't remember that show. And then I started getting the visual images of it and of course, there you are. That is wild. My hair was wild, like you're sitting here. That's crazy. You were great on that show. You had five minutes to prepare for those things. 

26:34 - Carla (Guest)
Five minute interviews. 

26:35 - Mark (Host)
But that many in a day? Yes, yes. 

26:38 - Stacey (Host)
So like how would you think of the questions that you wanted to ask on the fly? Like that, because that's selfish. 

26:43 - Mark (Host)
Like I don't know what it is. That's a great question right now. 

26:45 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, well, you know what the key was finding out what they wanted to while talking about what they wanted to talk about. I know he's always like I know but that's OK he just did that. 

26:54 - Stacey (Host)
He's had a red bull right before the show. 

26:56 - Mark (Host)
Red bull. My performance is sponsored by Red Bull. Sean, you want? 

26:58 - Stacey (Host)
to sit in. Oh no, I'm not allowed to say that. 

27:01 - Mark (Host)
Sorry, Sorry. 

27:02 - Carla (Guest)
Carla, I wish I could read. I can't like. 

27:04 - Stacey (Host)
I can't read Cassie I could listen to you all day. Love this oh thank you. 

27:08 - Carla (Guest)
Cassie's the best I think Cassie's commented before. I love Cassie, thank you. Does she check on your other shows, like, do you ever see one of your people? I think there's been a. 

27:17 - Mark (Host)
Cassie who's checking on other shows. We've had a Cassie. I hope it's the same Cassie. 

27:20 - Stacey (Host)
OK, it's not. We love all Cassies, cassie's. 

27:23 - Mark (Host)
OK. 

27:23 - Stacey (Host)
Anyway, back to me. Yeah, back to you. What do you think of me? No, I'm not. No, I'm wondering like how you came up with a question for someone to ask in five minutes. That was going to be enough to carry the interview, yeah you just used to start. 

27:39 - Carla (Guest)
If I were to interview you and I would say, ok, what is the most, what is the one thing that you want to get out during this interview? Oh, and they would say what it is. And I say, well, tell me the first thing that that your organization does. That would inspire other people to want to do something. You know, like it was always one thing that they would say I would say something, and the goal really was for me is to make them feel comfortable. 

28:07 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, because if I made them feel comfortable then they would be able to really share without even knowing that the cameras were there, because remember they're going through all the things that I went through when I was sitting here I was like, oh my god, and I was so nervous, but you both maybe feel so comfortable because you know, when you walk in here everyone's just bouncing. 

28:33 - Carla (Guest)
So that's what it was Comfortable by the time you got to the question. 

28:37 - Mark (Host)
It always yeah deliver, always deliver. Hey guys, thanks for listening. If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review, give us a follow, subscribe, subscribe, all those things, all those things. We love it because we read each and every comment and it helped shape the show, so we would appreciate it please, and back to the show. 

28:57 - Carla (Guest)
Carries interview was with Lou Rawls. Oh my gosh Teddy Pindagras that was my worst. Okay, so remember Teddy Pindagras. He was in the wheelchair. 

29:09 - Stacey (Host)
John remembers him. 

29:11 - Carla (Guest)
He's sitting there like oozing, like oozing, just like looking at this. 

29:16 - Stacey (Host)
What do you mean? Like he was like hitting on you while he's looking at me like like, like this, you know. 

29:20 - Carla (Guest)
And so he goes while the interview's over. He's leaving, or when. Says I love a woman with hairy arms. 

29:27 - Mark (Host)
What. 

29:29 - Stacey (Host)
And I was like ew, oh, my gosh, that's what. Yes, that's what you do. Don't try and get off this question. I need to hear what she. 

29:38 - Mark (Host)
I need to hear what she did. Yeah, what is the response? What's an appropriate? 

29:41 - Carla (Guest)
response. So can you imagine my head was going? I'd be like this five Pulling down my sleeves as far as I can and I just literally going, and uh, I'm Carly, show you know, I just couldn't even remember what I was saying, but the interview went very well. He did a very good job, but it was just the. 

30:02 - Stacey (Host)
I think he was playing with me. I think he was trying to unnerve. 

30:05 - Carla (Guest)
Oh no. So, after the interview. Then he went to talk to me and he says you know, I'm bringing out these teddy jeans and I would love for you to be a spokesperson for my company, but you know, it was just a real weird kind of conversation and I had to go, you know. 

30:23 - Mark (Host)
Well, there's. That. 

30:25 - Carla (Guest)
Oh my god good interview, though I will say. 

30:29 - Stacey (Host)
No, it's good, Like anybody else we know, oh gosh Um. 

30:33 - Carla (Guest)
Oh, do you remember him? 

30:37 - Mark (Host)
I forgot what movie he was in, uh with leo de caprio, leonardo de caprio. Wait, he was in, wasn't that 12 years ago? I love that guy. 

30:48 - Carla (Guest)
No, no, not 12 years ago, not him. No, who was it? Oh my god, someone chat and tell us Um yeah, somebody tell us who John. 

30:53 - Mark (Host)
Do you know? 

30:55 - Carla (Guest)
Did I? I'm not pronouncing his name. 

30:57 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, it's close, though it's just like that yeah. 

31:01 - Stacey (Host)
Well, narrowing it down, he worked in a movie with Leonardo de caprio. 

31:04 - Mark (Host)
Yes, like I'm. 

31:06 - Carla (Guest)
I know Someone must know, but but he was just so amazingly good-looking that I had a hard time concentrating. So those kind of interviews. 

31:22 - Mark (Host)
That's why we keep him in the dark. He distracts our guests all the time. 

31:27 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, so he was a little bit of a challenge because he was so Calm. He was so calm. It made me nervous. 

31:35 - Mark (Host)
So you know, I'm trying to. 

31:36 - Stacey (Host)
I've been there before. 

31:37 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, yes, so you rather for people to? 

31:39 - Stacey (Host)
say I'm nervous, like you just need him where he is. Yes, all of a sudden become. 

31:43 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, and then he started goes you, all of them, and I was like okay, that's gonna throw me off. Okay, we're gonna try to get this. 

31:49 - Stacey (Host)
Did you show him the ringer now? No, no, no, she's like this. I turned it around and. 

31:55 - Carla (Guest)
I'm just joking Okay, Albert oh my gosh Albert. 

31:58 - Stacey (Host)
She would never do that, I know her 25 years, sweetie, 25 years. That's right, that's a high five. That's a high five, good job. 

32:08 - Mark (Host)
Um okay. 

32:08 - Stacey (Host)
So now I'm gonna kind of switch gears a little bit, okay, and just talk about challenges and obstacles, because we really love to talk about that here with super successful people, because we feel like our audience learns a lot from other people's failures. Yeah other people sort of Building their way up out of an obstacle. Yeah, so do you have challenges? 

32:31 - Mark (Host)
In my career that I've been personally whatever Um some things in your way you had to overcome somehow push through that. Definitely confident I think it's really. 

32:41 - Carla (Guest)
For me it's, it's fear, my fear factor. 

32:44 - Mark (Host)
Just over realizing. 

32:45 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, just an overarching fear, like I have for live television. I have a A fear of live television. 

32:55 - Mark (Host)
You know we're live right now. 

32:56 - Carla (Guest)
Okay, I know, but let me tell you okay so it's okay that I'm sitting here in the interview. 

33:01 - Mark (Host)
Oh, I see, but if you're gonna, I were in your position and it would lie. 

33:05 - Stacey (Host)
Can I tell you me to? 

33:06 - Carla (Guest)
Okay, thank you. 

33:07 - Stacey (Host)
Oh, my gosh Thanks for validating me you know, last, last week, I was losing it. No, you're very comfortable. 

33:12 - Carla (Guest)
I don't know she's good, though she's such a natural yeah, you're such a natural, and for me, I think because that camera looks so stoic and I'm better having audiences right right to me. 

33:26 - Mark (Host)
Do you know like if I'm sitting there? 

33:28 - Carla (Guest)
with 9,000 people, that one person is smiling or that person. You know, that's a big difference than having live by four, three, two, one. You ask my husband? I am the worst. I am the worst. I mean when I had a press conference one time I'll never forget it, and all they told me was you can go out there and just read what is on the page. 

33:49
Well, it wasn't even a telecom we were actually getting ready to have a strike and they wanted me to go out there and see and all the cameras were out. You know, there was a lot. It was a lot. It was so intimidating and I remember all just writing this yeah well, the podium. 

34:04 - Mark (Host)
I gritted. 

34:05 - Carla (Guest)
I gritted like it was a death grip and my husband was looking at me on television and he was like she's gonna die, she's gonna die and he could feel my like aches and I read that beautifully and my boss said you don't have to do anything else except read it. But we were supposed to have a lawyer, come in and and answer the question because it was going to be an injunction for the strike or whatever. And as soon as someone said, wait before you leave, can we just ask one question? 

34:33
Oh boy one question and I just looked and everything slowed down. It was slow motion. I looked at him and it was like what? And he literally no, he goes, yeah, she can answer one question. And I was like whoa, and I remember thinking and my mind just went blank. I couldn't think anything to say what was the? Question it was how long do you think this strike has been a last and what? How long do you think? It was something that I could not answer, and I remember in that moment just trying to find words. 

35:06
Trying to find words, and I wanted to die. I wanted the floor to open up and just. 

35:11 - Stacey (Host)
Did someone jump in and help you? What happened? 

35:12 - Carla (Guest)
Well, he finally, because he could see the fear in my face. He goes you know what, and he stepped so casually right in front of me. It was my boss. Um, I'm gonna out him right now. 

35:23 - Mark (Host)
Frank Kelly, frank Kelly. 

35:25 - Carla (Guest)
Well, he knows well, if you ever, if he ever sees that he knows because I shared it with him, because he knows that he owes me big time to this day, because he was the one who told you there would be no good question? That's right, you told me. 

35:36 - Stacey (Host)
You lied to me. 

35:37 - Carla (Guest)
You let me down, brother, you let me down. So, yeah, that's what happened. 

35:41 - Stacey (Host)
He steps in and he spoke for me. Have you gotten away from that fear? 

35:45 - Carla (Guest)
You still have it, I still have it and I don't know if it's um and I don't know what it is. I don't know why I can't get past it. I can do Comcast newsmakers because it's live to take. That's okay, because knowing that I can mess up and they can start over. But, knowing that it's live. That's something. It's a different. Yeah, it's a different one. 

36:03 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, but I don't know that it's fear for you. I think you're projecting it as fear and it's just nervousness, anxiety, because you're you're not afraid of it's and it's not the unknown for you. So it's it's more just an anxiety about I want to perform, but it's a subject that I don't know anything about you know you think about it like I don't know a lot about septas. 

36:22 - Carla (Guest)
You know interworking at the time they didn't have something or subject matter experts. You know you were supposed to go out there and speak on behalf of the company. You rarely define people that wanted to speak in front of the camera, so by being on this side as deputy chief officer now. I do media training. 

36:39 - Stacey (Host)
That's not a same thing. Now you train people. Yes, why? 

36:42 - Carla (Guest)
why hire someone outside the company to come? In and train our subject matter experts because they know the subject. Why are you going to throw me out there? I mean, I can do the little things, but on bigger things that I'm not that person. I'm not that person. 

36:55 - Stacey (Host)
I think you're being very self deprecating. I really do. You know it. Thank you. 

37:02 - Carla (Guest)
I thank you for that, but I think communication, I could talk, okay, all about that. I could talk about makeup. 

37:08 - Stacey (Host)
I just 30 years, so you were a Mary Kay. So tell me about that whole well. 

37:12 - Carla (Guest)
I didn't marry Kay along with my, my television career, which is crazy, and I have to tell you this funny story. So when I was coming here I said I want my lips to have a little pop to them. So I went to the store and I bought something that would just give me a little bit of a gloss. 

37:25 - Mark (Host)
That's what thanks. Yeah, Thank you. 

37:26 - Carla (Guest)
Well guess what didn't know that this is eye shadow on my lips. There is liquid eyeshadow out there. Who did? I didn't know there was. There was such a thing called liquid eyeshadow. I thought I was in the new girl. No, I did not know that. 

37:41 - Mark (Host)
So my lips are so dry, right now, oh my gosh. Is this after you were a very successful Mary Kay. This is after that. 

37:49 - Stacey (Host)
I'm doing it all, right, you put liquid eyeshadow on my lips. 

37:53 - Carla (Guest)
That's right. I'm owning it Because this is the year I'm owning it. 

37:57 - Mark (Host)
That's right, because I don't want to leave my thing out there, I shall. I'm just saying. 

38:05 - Carla (Guest)
I'm gonna say yes. Yes, if you don't know, you better catch up girl. 

38:08 - Stacey (Host)
catch up Marie says you're great on it. 

38:10 - Mark (Host)
This is all right. 

38:12 - Carla (Guest)
Thank you. That's my middle name I love the fact that it can pop up like that and people can just oh my gosh. 

38:18 - Stacey (Host)
There it is. 

38:19 - Carla (Guest)
Oh, you guys are so fancy. 

38:21 - Stacey (Host)
So Mary Kay. So how do you do it so fancy? 

38:25 - Carla (Guest)
George's love. No, Mary Kay. I started when I was 25 years old. My mother introduced me to it. She's even around now. Yes, I still. You know why don't we hear from them anymore? What we do is just say you have to schedule a skincare class. 

38:38 - Mark (Host)
You need to consult it. 

38:39 - Carla (Guest)
Like if I were still selling it. I would be like you know, Stacey, let's help us skincare class, and that's, you know what's. 

38:45 - Stacey (Host)
You're in Mainline Studios. Do you still do that? Do you still make it? Do you? Yeah, sure we could. Oh, yeah, yeah, you still want to do it? 

38:51 - Carla (Guest)
Well, no, I don't want to tell you this before, but yeah, yeah, I was trying to find opportunity. This is the first time I will tell you, this is probably the first time I've had one job. I've always or one job. Yeah, one job. 

39:02 - Stacey (Host)
I've always worked two or three jobs, yeah. So what did it look like being the Mary Kay, and you were really successful. 

39:07 - Carla (Guest)
Oh, my goodness, I loved it. I loved it. I loved it because I love teaching women how to take care of their skin, I love teaching women how to apply their makeup, and it was just always where you see the one that's the most quiet and you see the transformation of her. That is just like. That is just like when she comes out of herself and she's looking at the Mary Kay. 

39:27 - Mark (Host)
You know. 

39:27 - Carla (Guest)
That is just exciting. It is because you know you can see her growing out of herself. I guess that's the same thing I should do with my fear factor, right? 

39:36 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, well, it's easier when you have you know you have to get a job and you have to get a job. 

39:43 - Carla (Guest)
And that's where you're going to get your job. You can do that so you can do that? Yeah, but I recruited over 30 some odd women into the company, but my customer base was like 200 some odd. 

39:52 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, in Mary Kay you got the Cadillac, oh no. 

39:57 - Carla (Guest)
The first card you get is the red Pontiac, and then you get a grand prix. I'm free Cadillac, so I was selling about eight 9,000 a month where you can. Kind of recruit other people in. That can boost your, your, your business. It was fun. 

40:10 - Stacey (Host)
It was all that Mary Kay stuff. Prepare you for what you're doing now. 

40:13 - Carla (Guest)
It. I think it was. It was such a smart move. I was picking and screaming coming into the company because the only reason I joined Mary Kay was if I needed a new car. I was driving the car. That's a great entire life. 

40:25 - Mark (Host)
That's why you're doing. You know that was hard to get that car. It was hard to get that car but I knew I wanted that car. 

40:30 - Carla (Guest)
And I was determined to get that car. Imagine no insurance and no car payment and it's brand new. You literally drive on a lot and you get the keys to a brand he's still a brand new car, no lie. And that's what happened. 

40:40 - Stacey (Host)
I mean, it was just an exciting time, but so because you had the car, you could drive to the other interview. Oh, exactly. 

40:49 - Carla (Guest)
I think that job, I think my Mary Kay career though I'm going to say that loud I think my Mary Kay career stopped me from staying as a producer for banding production. So I think they knew that I had another little gig on the side. So I think they were kind of like oh she's got that Mary Kay thing going on, so she's going to be good, because they only had me there for one season. 

41:12 - Mark (Host)
And I love that job. 

41:13 - Carla (Guest)
I love what's happening? 

41:15 - Mark (Host)
Make a phone call. 

41:16 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, make a phone call. 

41:17 - Stacey (Host)
But I love that job. 

41:18 - Carla (Guest)
Because I love him. 

41:19 - Stacey (Host)
He's a great guy. They're really really kind people. Yeah, Everyone I know from there. 

41:24 - Carla (Guest)
And Kelly was his wife of the car and she was the one who hired me. Yeah, Yep. She was the one who hired me. 

41:30 - Stacey (Host)
So that's what I was thinking. So you were doing the Mary Kay thing and you left Fanny, and then there was other stuff in between, and then you were the step back yes, right, comcast. 

41:42 - Carla (Guest)
Then I was the chief officer of communications at the Upper Baryon Township building. 

41:48 - Mark (Host)
Yes, I was working there. 

41:49 - Carla (Guest)
Well, because once I got laid off at Comcast, because they let go of 360 people. 

41:54 - Mark (Host)
I was thinking this is great. My kids were still young at the time and I was like what, this will be good. 

41:59 - Carla (Guest)
I was so happy the day they laid all of us off. They literally went into a room. This is how they did it we were in a room and they had the three locations it was Philadelphia, delaware and New Jersey and we could see the New Jersey folks on screen and we could see the Delaware folks. The HR people were in the room with us and their hands were crossed looking at themselves telling us that we lost our job. 

42:22 - Mark (Host)
Oh my gosh, it was the strangest thing. That's bizarre. It was the strangest thing. 

42:26 - Carla (Guest)
But what happened? I was going around high-fiving everybody. I was very happy that I was going to be home, but I didn't stay home long because I became a consultant for UMGATV, which is a local television station in the area I grew up. That was Upper Mary in. 

42:39 - Mark (Host)
New Prussia. 

42:40 - Carla (Guest)
And so that's what I did. I started working there and I started a show called On the Moon, and I did that as a consultant. 

42:47 - Stacey (Host)
I understand how you're still not in this biz. I know how you went, got over to Seth, though, like tell me a little bit about that, so yeah. So then I worked there and then I got a phone call. 

42:54 - Carla (Guest)
Well, I was there for seven years. I got a phone call, and it was at the time where I was just ready to make a change because I was working there and I just kind of set up something else I'm supposed to do. 

43:04
What else am I supposed to do? And I got a phone call and they said that the director of media relations, jerry Williams, is leaving SEPTA and she's looking for a replacement. And I got a call from my girlfriend at Channel 6 News and said would you like to apply for the position? That's how quickly you're off it. Jerry, I used to interview on the show. 

43:23 - Mark (Host)
Comcast Newsmakers yeah, Comcast Newsmakers. 

43:26 - Carla (Guest)
And she was the one who hired me. 

43:28 - Mark (Host)
That's fine. So it sounds like you've never had to sit down at the time. Pack resumes into envelopes, send them out. It's all because you're personable, you're gary, just talk to people, that's crazy. 

43:39 - Carla (Guest)
That's what I wanted to say, and I know that's what you want to say. No, I think it's a very positive thing, because I don't think people do that. 

43:45 - Mark (Host)
Enough now, and I try to tell my son that all the time you need to talk to people, talk to the people around you. You never know when they're going to reach out years later and give you a job that you love. 

43:54 - Carla (Guest)
That's right, and I was shy. I want people to know that my personality that you see now is developing because I was watching other people. I would watch people that had that big personality and I wanted that, so I would go home and practice. 

44:10 - Mark (Host)
And love it. For me, it was Lisa Thomas-Lorre. That's what I would do. 

44:14 - Carla (Guest)
So I was not always like that. I'm telling you. I had to find my voice in high school and then college is where I really found it. It was fun. My life is so blessed it really is and when I say I'm on the crux of something, it's because I want to eventually write for television. 

44:31 - Stacey (Host)
Right. 

44:32 - Carla (Guest)
Can we talk about your script? We can talk a little bit about it. 

44:34 - Stacey (Host)
I can't tell a little bit, just a tiny bit. No, I'm only joking, because we don't want anyone to steal your idea. No, no, no, no, no, no. 

44:39 - Carla (Guest)
I just think that there is a television show that has never been written before, and I think that I want to be the one to bring it to television. 

44:48 - Stacey (Host)
I know. 

44:48 - Carla (Guest)
I can't tell too much, because my husband literally goes why do you tell so many things? And I said because it's my story. So the story that I'm going to tell is my story, yeah, of a person working in transportation. Yeah, there's no one that can tell that story other than me, because it's my life. So that's why I know that it can't be stolen, because no one can. 

45:06 - Stacey (Host)
That's true. It can't be known how that insight, that's right. 

45:10 - Carla (Guest)
God gave me that story. So the reason I went through all those things is because I was supposed to land this job. Accepto, yeah. 

45:17 - Stacey (Host)
So that it would take, so you could write the story. It's funny. Is it going to be like a Parks and Rec site? 

45:22 - Carla (Guest)
Well, again, I don't know whether or not I wanted a dramedy, which is a comedy, drama kind of thing, or do I want to stick comp Right Because I look at all of them. I look at Mary Cowan Morsha, I look at Friends. I look at the shows that were really successful to see what was the combination. Was it the cast? Was it the script? Was it just the innovation of the show? Yeah, yeah, and I say For my show it's gonna be all those things. 

45:50 - Stacey (Host)
I want great cast Rizzo. 

45:52 - Mark (Host)
you're hearing this right, I do want we have more than one producer in the room right now. 

45:56 - Carla (Guest)
You know, I really want John just said we need to talk. 

45:58 - Stacey (Host)
We need to talk, okay, john. 

45:59 - Carla (Guest)
Okay, we're gonna talk. 

46:01 - Stacey (Host)
And Lisa's saying she loves the show. Please do more. Oh, thank you, lisa. Thank you, lisa, it's not awesome. 

46:07 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, thanks, lisa. That's a testament to beauty. I think you were a good combination, remember the show. 

46:11 - Mark (Host)
You're my work life. 

46:13 - Carla (Guest)
Remember what I watched with Emma? Yeah, and me. 

46:17 - Mark (Host)
Oh, I mean, it was wonderful. 

46:18 - Carla (Guest)
I love that one. She's awesome your banter. I just know this, that's what Carla told me, did you tell her? 

46:25 - Stacey (Host)
No, I don't know if I told you what did you say, because I don't want him just doing a show with just our banter. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no, okay. 

46:30 - Mark (Host)
Oh, our banter, Well the banter before the show was the intro. 

46:34 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, the intro was before she came on. 

46:36 - Mark (Host)
And. 

46:36 - Carla (Guest)
I thought that was just really good. 

46:38 - Mark (Host)
It was very real it was very real. You know, sometimes we can make each other laugh, sometimes we can make each other angry, sometimes, yeah, that's a very real. 

46:47 - Stacey (Host)
Let me tell you, we had a fight the other day and Eric's like, uh-oh, the band's breaking up. Oh no, but we weren't fighting like this fighting yeah, yeah, but you wonder that that's about us Carla's show. Oh, Carla, you're still here. I'm sorry this is about me? 

47:01 - Mark (Host)
No, it's true, but don't you look at the fact? 

47:04 - Carla (Guest)
that you know like your combination now, but what if you wanted to break off? 

47:07 - Stacey (Host)
one of you. Oh no, we can't. Yeah, okay, that's like, don't you try, I gotta call my agent. 

47:13 - Mark (Host)
It's off. It's off, Don't do it. 

47:15 - Stacey (Host)
Don't make the call. Don't let him. That's not good. Don't let him call. 

47:19 - Mark (Host)
Wait. By the way, I'm with your husband On the, Don't Tell Too Many People. 

47:22 - Carla (Guest)
Your Story 100% she won't. 

47:25 - Mark (Host)
Because they can still steal it and do a knock-off version of your story that you're not gonna be happy about. You're right, because it's happened way too many times, with products for sure, but I will say, and with stories. 

47:35 - Carla (Guest)
But the person that I want to Wait, no, no, Damn, what do you hear? He goes Mattelus. He's still Bill Burr. I definitely want him to be a part of this. 

47:46 - Mark (Host)
Love it. I just he's not at the Bill Burr. I want a big part in your show because I love Bill Burr. 

47:50 - Carla (Guest)
I want to be a wacky neighbor. Do you want to be the wacky or the? 

47:52 - Stacey (Host)
annoying neighbor. It's about you again. Stop making it about you. Give me a second, I'll not go on. 

47:56 - Carla (Guest)
This is the Carlos show I want to go Look, I'm gonna need character and you could come to the. Okay, thank you. 

48:03 - Mark (Host)
Be that character that kind of pops in. 

48:04 - Carla (Guest)
I'm gonna play my wife. You could be like Kramer. Oh my God, you know. 

48:08 - Stacey (Host)
I'm sorry. How did you get up? Were you the oldest in your family? I? 

48:11 - Carla (Guest)
was the middle child. 

48:12 - Stacey (Host)
What was your family life like? Can we get to the origin story? I could love origin stories Absolutely. 

48:18 - Carla (Guest)
I grew up in a very huxed-able-like family. 

48:20 - Mark (Host)
No, just joking, really. 

48:22 - Carla (Guest)
No, my family was the bomb. I had a, really good, that's wonderful. I had a really good family upbringing. My mom and dad were not the parents that were overbearing, which I think it's weird, because my mom was a schoolteacher for 30-some years and my dad worked at GE as a jitney driver. They never talked about school with us, you know. They never said get the grades and do this. 

48:45 - Stacey (Host)
Really yeah, I don't think my parents did either, I did it every day of my semester. 

48:48 - Carla (Guest)
They didn't even know I was in school. 

48:49 - Stacey (Host)
That's what I was gonna say. 

48:51 - Carla (Guest)
I was gonna say Sorry, mom, did you even know? I don't know? 

48:54 - Stacey (Host)
No, just kidding, you did know you were very good, I know, but you didn't pack my sandwiches and throw like an orange right on top of it. Oh something you never forgot I know it, skinny little bologna sandwich, bologna, yeah, anyway, god. I'm so sorry she's making me so comfortable that I'm just literally like I can do this, I can do this, you're good, you're like a host. 

49:12 - Carla (Guest)
That's what I could flip Back to you. 

49:14 - Stacey (Host)
You were the oldest. 

49:15 - Carla (Guest)
I was the middle child, middle child. 

49:17 - Stacey (Host)
I had an older sister and a younger sister. 

49:18 - Carla (Guest)
Younger brother. 

49:19 - Stacey (Host)
yes, Younger brother, yes, younger brother. 

49:21 - Carla (Guest)
My brother had cerebral palsy. Okay, and my sister? She was in fashion design. She passed away for breast cancer. Oh, no, recently. No, not two years back. Yeah, a few years back, but she was always she's the one who, kind of you know, coordinate your blues and make sure you know your jewelry and everything is part of it. She was that person for me. 

49:39 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, and my mom was that way too. 

49:42 - Stacey (Host)
My mom was very fashionable, fashion oriented. 

49:43 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, so was my grandma. 

49:45 - Mark (Host)
Wow. 

49:46 - Carla (Guest)
Absolutely. 

49:47 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, I can't. Did your mom and dad work, or did your mom work outside at home? 

49:50 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, yeah, my mom was a school teacher. Oh, she was a school teacher. Your dad was in the JITNEY. Yes, the JITNEY driver at GE, at. 

49:56 - Mark (Host)
GE. 

49:56 - Carla (Guest)
And they both worked for 30 some years in their respective careers and retired early. 

50:02 - Mark (Host)
My mom retired 55 years old. 

50:04 - Carla (Guest)
My dad retired at like 50. Wow, so they had all these years. 

50:08 - Mark (Host)
All those years yeah. 

50:09 - Carla (Guest)
And they invested their money really well. Tom, wow, yeah, good job. Good role model, yeah, good role model. It's wonderful, but of course they gave it all to my sister and all the way to him. 

50:17 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, that's right, that's true. Good role model for your sister. 

50:20 - Stacey (Host)
So they're telling us we have to wrap soon, so I want to make sure. I ask you, karla, like what's next for you? Is there anything that we can do for you here on the show, that we can connect you or do something, or you know just? Oh, my goodness. 

50:34 - Carla (Guest)
You know, I really you know, it's funny, I was thinking of people that could come on your show. 

50:39 - Stacey (Host)
That was a really good guess. That's about me. I want to help you, oh OK. 

50:41 - Carla (Guest)
No. 

50:42 - Mark (Host)
OK, all right, ok, you know what? 

50:46 - Carla (Guest)
Just spread what you're spreading. I mean, this is such a good karma show Like you. Just you know it makes you feel good being on the set. It really does, that's the testament to the both of you Thank you Just real quick. 

51:00 - Mark (Host)
You want to talk about a Valverhouse? And all Because I know you're heavily involved in that Talk about the Valverhouse, the Valverhouse. 

51:05 - Carla (Guest)
Oh, the Elelor oh. 

51:07 - Stacey (Host)
I said it wrong. 

51:07 - Carla (Guest)
You said it wrong. 

51:09 - Stacey (Host)
Elelor, I'm sorry, I knew it, I was just going to play along, so let me just read real quick. 

51:14 - Mark (Host)
This is what it's an organization that empowers and educates young women of color impacted by chronic adversity, violence and oppression. The word chronic split out to me. Yeah, what is chronic adversity? What? 

51:25 - Carla (Guest)
does that. It's continuous Like they come from real trauma, real trauma. It's a personal trauma, not necessarily socioeconomic trauma. 

51:35 - Mark (Host)
Right, not necessarily so. It's domestic. It's a combination of a lot of things. It's a lot of things. Got it, got it, got it. 

51:40 - Carla (Guest)
And I joined the organization because Cheryl Wablington, who was the executive producer, or I should say executive director, of the organization. I know. 

51:47 - Mark (Host)
I'm all around the show. 

51:48 - Carla (Guest)
Yeah, I know she started this about she's going to be celebrating 20 years next summer, wow yeah, and she got me into the organization because of the fact that I just have a love of young people and wanting them to excel at what they do. Yeah, really. I mean these young girls are just. You know, when you pour your heart and soul into another human being. They want that. You know, they it's just I'm like that feels good for you too, because you're helping them. 

52:20 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, you almost feel guilty, absolutely. Yeah, because you're like, this feels really good for me, I know. 

52:24 - Carla (Guest)
You know, all the time it's so good, all the time, yeah, and I just remember where I was, you know, and I didn't have trauma in my life. I had a really, you know, supreme life, Like childhood. I should say I didn't have all the issues that they have. So you know, they just want to be directed, they want it to be guided, they want to be loved. 

52:42
So that's what we do in the organization. So we have workshops in the summer and we try to think of things that we can do to empower them, to make them think that you and your little brown skin and black skin, that you are somebody special. You have superpowers beyond Love. That. That what you see in front of you. 

53:02 - Mark (Host)
What's the website? Where can they go? Where can people go? 

53:05 - Carla (Guest)
Evalor, oh gosh, don't give me that Google Evalor, evalor, houseorg. Yes, Evalor House. 

53:10 - Mark (Host)
Evalor. 

53:10 - Carla (Guest)
House Evalor House. 

53:13 - Stacey (Host)
E-V-E-L-O-R. We'll put it in the show. L-u-e-r, l-u-e-r. Ok, lear yeah. 

53:18 - Carla (Guest)
French. 

53:19 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, but I think she spells it L-U-E-R. 

53:22 - Carla (Guest)
Yes, I should know this Wonderful. 

53:24 - Stacey (Host)
That's amazing. Well, I could talk to you all day. 

53:26 - Mark (Host)
This has been great. 

53:27 - Stacey (Host)
We're not allowed. We need to get off air. 

53:28 - Mark (Host)
sorry, the problem with live is it ends. I know this was fast, I told you it would. 

53:34 - Stacey (Host)
It would it was great. 

53:36 - Carla (Guest)
Thank you for making me feel so comfortable. Thank you for coming On this side of the couch. 

53:39 - Mark (Host)
It's been a pleasure to meet you. I love that. I love our time together. 

53:42 - Carla (Guest)
Thank you Mark, thank you Wonderful, thank you Stacy, and thank you out there for watching. 

53:46 - Stacey (Host)
Thank you everybody. Thanks for the live show. Thank you to George John Eric, you're still here. You're still listening. Thanks for listening to the Gurus and Game Changers podcast While you're here. If you enjoyed it, please take a minute to rate this episode and leave us a quick review. We want to know what you thought of the show and what you took from it and how it might have helped you. We read and appreciate every comment. Thanks, see you next week.