018. Surviving 40 Days Without Food: Shaun Ziegler Returns [On Fasting & Meditation for Health]

Can you imagine pushing the limits of human endurance and transforming your life with nothing but water for 40 days? Shaun Ziegler did just that, diving deep into the physical and mental realms of possibility. With nothing but the ocean's natural electrolytes to sustain him, Shaun's story isn't just one of survival but of profound growth and introspection. His journey through 40 days of water fasting, complemented by meditative practices and the powerful impact of theta breath work, illuminates the uncharted territories of the human spirit and the importance of confronting inner issues for emotional freedom.

Join us as we traverse Shaun's odyssey back to the essence of living, where tuning into one's intuition becomes the compass for navigating life's tumultuous waters. From the heart-wrenching moments of a friend's health emergency to the celebrated triumphs over psychological urges to eat, Shaun's fast is a tapestry woven with discipline, resilience, and a deepened connection with the subconscious mind. His narrative challenges the norms and invites you to consider the profound insights that can arise from looking within rather than outwardly to conventional research and societal expectations. As we wrap up, Shaun's 'reborn ritual' on the 41st day, which includes a symbolic breaking of the fast with raw organic milk, honey, and cacao, sets a stage for reflection on our own dietary habits and the emotional attachments we have with food. On the 42nd day after having two full days of meals he had an epiphany that you will want to hear about. Shaun's intuitive post-fast approach, defying traditional dietary boundaries, questions not only what we eat but why we eat it. Prepare to be intrigued, inspired, and potentially transformed as we share the riveting account of a man who turned a 40-day water fast into a journey of self-discovery and perpetual growth.

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Transcript

00:02 - Stacey (Host)
Hey listeners, before we delve into today's episode, I just want to take a minute to address the sensitive nature of the content that we'll be discussing today. At Gurus and Game Changers, we want to provide information and we want to foster open conversations, but I really want to emphasize that the topics we're covering today revolve around dietary restrictions. So I want to make it like unequivocally clear that the information that we share in this episode is not intended as medical advice. So just want to let you know that we don't condone or support any dietary or physical restrictions without the explicit approval and supervision of a qualified healthcare professional. So that's all with the biz. Now on with the show. Did you do push-ups before we hopped on this intro? 

00:42 - Mark (Host)
Why are you asking that? 

00:46 - Stacey (Host)
Because you're like biceps are bulging right now. 

00:48 - Mark (Host)
Look at me. Look at me, that's right, I'm the man. Well, you know what? With proper diet, nutrition. Although with this today's guest, I got to put all of that into question, because it kind of shakes everything you think, you know. 

01:01 - Stacey (Host)
It was fascinating, am I right? 

01:03 - Mark (Host)
It really was. 

01:04 - Stacey (Host)
I'm so fascinated by Sean Ziegler's journey for a 40-day fast. A 40-day, did you hear that? 

01:09 - Mark (Host)
40 days 40 days without anything but water. 

01:13 - Stacey (Host)
Water and ocean water. 

01:15 - Mark (Host)
And ocean water. He was drinking ocean water, ocean water. 

01:17 - Stacey (Host)
Right, that's crazy. Have you heard that ocean water is sewer water? Like you, shouldn't drink it. 

01:23 - Mark (Host)
Yes, I would never suspect that one could drink ocean water and continue to be healthy. 

01:30 - Stacey (Host)
But we saw him, he's healthy, he's healthier than ever, and he's saying it's the best water you can get. 

01:35 - Mark (Host)
It's the most filtered and I'm sure it naturally it is the most filtered, but who knows what's in there, I don't know. He's got a lot of intriguing thoughts about how he, about everything, but about how he decided to do this 40-day fast, his journey through the 40-day fast, the unbelievable ease with which he went through the 40-day fast. 

01:57 - Stacey (Host)
It's actually kind of inspiring. His family was so scared and I think about being a mother and watching my kid. He was the same age as Sean not eat for 40 days. 

02:09 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, you gotta hide it from the parents. I don't, I just don't think I would think so. 

02:14 - Stacey (Host)
And he posted some of it online on Instagram and I was watching as his friend's mother and saying to my family Eric, my son is he gonna? Will he live through this? Like I was literally scared for his life. 

02:28 - Mark (Host)
I could imagine. 40 days is a long time. All conventional wisdom says don't do it. 

02:33 - Stacey (Host)
But he has some really cool insights on like, and he actually inspires you to fast. I do want to try. I totally want to try. 

02:40 - Mark (Host)
Because he's doing it. He did it in a different way. 

02:44 - Stacey (Host)
The impetus for it was different. Yes, you have to hear he carried him through it. 

02:48 - Mark (Host)
In a way, it was not what you suspect. He would have faced Not only the reason he started, but the experience of doing it. 

02:56 - Stacey (Host)
It was not what anybody expected. His epiphany along the way, and what happened at 42 days? 

03:01 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, 42 days. Yeah, because that was his intention, right? 

03:04 - Stacey (Host)
That was his initial intention. 

03:05 - Mark (Host)
That was the number that came to him. 

03:07 - Stacey (Host)
He makes, sean Ziegler, makes you believe that things are possible that you never would think are possible. It's very well put, am I right? 

03:14 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, 100%, because he thinks on a different level. I remember saying that the first time we talked to him. Here's a guy that just he just thinks on a different level, different plane, and he makes sense on this plane. But you know he's still not with us. 

03:28 - Stacey (Host)
Unapologetically, unabashedly. He thinks completely differently and it doesn't matter what you think. 

03:33 - Mark (Host)
Right Doesn't care about the modern world. 

03:34 - Stacey (Host)
Could be controversial. Yeah, he doesn't wear shoes. 

03:37 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, it's good stuff. 

03:39 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, love him, I love him, I love him. Listen to pull the car over and listen to Sean Ziegler. Hi, I'm Stacy. 

03:51 - Mark (Host)
And I am Mark, and this is the Guru's and Game Changers podcast. 

03:58 - Stacey (Host)
Welcome everybody. I'm so excited to be back here with one of my favorite people, Sean Ziegler, back in the studio for a very special episode of Guru's and Game Changers. 

04:08 - Shaun (Guest)
It's good to be back. We're welcoming you back. 

04:11 - Stacey (Host)
Welcome. So I just spoke to Sean. He was here talking about co-founding his Spotify for health and wellness upspace, which you're still working on, and when he was here, we briefly spoke about nutrition, right, remember that yeah, we talked about nutrition a little bit. So I was thinking, was that foreshadowing? But not long after we taped that show, sean decided to go on a 40 day. What do you want to say? 

04:33 - Shaun (Guest)
40. Yeah, it was a 40 day, fast, just water 40 day fast. 

04:36 - Mark (Host)
That's four zero. If you didn't catch that, 40 days 40 days. 

04:41 - Stacey (Host)
Now I've done three day fasts. You've done three. 

04:43 - Mark (Host)
Just about three. Yeah, yeah, that's the max. 

04:47 - Stacey (Host)
By the end of the fast. I want to go lay down Like it's not, I just I can't imagine, anyway, okay, so I would love to go through it sort of chronologically. 

04:55 - Mark (Host)
Yeah. 

04:56 - Stacey (Host)
So starting off with like okay, what was your thought process around starting the fast? Why did you decide to do it? So let's talk about that. And then I also got some questions from the audience. I'm sure you have some questions. 

05:07 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, yeah. 

05:08 - Stacey (Host)
So I just kind of want to get inside your head and figure out what it was, and I also like wrote down some stuff, because you documented a lot of this along the way, which is super cool. 

05:16 - Shaun (Guest)
Thank you. 

05:18 - Stacey (Host)
I'll start so on day one, remember your first video? This is what I saw, the first thing I saw, and I was like no, sean. On day one, you said no food, no drinks aside from water, no supplements, no vitamins, no toothpaste, nothing, just water and sunlight. So why? 

05:39 - Shaun (Guest)
Well, if we really get into why, it really goes back even further than that. But the reason, like no of anything else, is because that's where you're at that truly deprived state or where you're free from all external things and all these like made up things like toothpaste and stuff like that, so you're totally eliminate all external things from the body. So it was important to go all in on it, not kind of this. And a lot of people suggested doing supplements or juices or different things and obviously like toothpaste. But to me it was like if I'm going to do this, it's important to actually do it and have nothing else inside my body. What? 

06:23 - Stacey (Host)
was the thing that brought it into your brain and did you talk to a doctor about it, like, or were you just like, I'm just going to do this and hope to live for 40 days? 

06:33 - Shaun (Guest)
No, doctor, no, nothing, no research, nothing. And being in the health amount of space, I was aware of fasting like 24 hour fast, 36 hour or 72 hour, whatever it might be. I was aware of fasting, but not to this extent. This came to me out of nowhere. I don't even fully remember like the time or whenever. It was just like a gut feeling out of nowhere where I was like I need to do a 42 day fast 42 days. 

07:03
42 days I was usually 42 days. I don't know why. It just like came to me. I was like I got to do a 42 day fast and I was like, okay, like I, just immediately. I didn't question it, I didn't, I didn't overthink it, it wasn't like anyone planted the idea in my brain. It wasn't like I saw it online, it was literally out of nowhere. It was just like I need to do a 42 day fast and it was so clear. 

07:28 - Mark (Host)
But did you know why you needed to do a 42 day fast? 

07:31 - Shaun (Guest)
The reason for me was to like tap into my subconscious is what like that's how I went into it. 

07:39
It was like to tap into that gut feel, that subconscious, that same feel that gave me the feel of like I need to do a 42 day fast. Like it was that same feeling like get further into that and understand it deeper and be guided by it more. Cause I am a very analytical person, like I'm a math and science brain and that's how I grew up, just like thinking, not that that's how it was raised. Actually, my mom's like very loving and my brothers are more loving on that, the more emotional, and I was just very analytical and logical and everything. And it was to tap into that subconscious, that that guide, to just follow the intuition, to follow whatever it is and be guided by that and my decision being to be guided by that. But that journey of like following my gut really started back in January where I did the start of the fast August 1st. 

08:30
The journey of like following my gut really started back in January where I started doing a lot of meditating in theta breath work. And theta breath work is all about tapping into your subconscious. It's all about getting to that theta brainwave state which is actually the natural frequency of the earth. But it's that state where you're like consciously dreaming, almost where you're just wake up and you still feel like a little bit of sleep. Or you wake up in the middle of the night and you're like half asleep, half awake. It's that state. So I do a lot of theta breath work and then in that journey of doing it, you know, ultimately let me to just on a whim, be like I can even move to Palo Alto. 

09:09 - Stacey (Host)
Did you want to Google like how many days can you live without eating? Like did you look at that at all? 

09:15 - Shaun (Guest)
I had no fear of it. So no, I didn't. I didn't even think I was just like, because there's science to it. 

09:20 - Stacey (Host)
Right, they say like you can live so many days without water. And then so like I think what? 

09:26 - Mark (Host)
three days. Three days without water like two weeks without food and two weeks without food. And theory and theory. 

09:31 - Stacey (Host)
But obviously you buck that theory, buck that theory. 

09:34 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, they say a lot of things I had a question. 

09:37 - Mark (Host)
Who the heck are they Right? Who are they? 

09:40 - Shaun (Guest)
Like everyone says they say this, they say that, but who are they? I didn't question any of it at all. It was very clear. It was like I need to do this for you fast. I didn't need to research it or anything, it was just clear like this was beyond me. It felt like this was beyond like I don't know, but just it was just so clear, Like this just needs to be done. 

09:58 - Stacey (Host)
It was like a calling yeah. 

09:59 - Mark (Host)
That's what it felt like, yeah. 

10:02 - Shaun (Guest)
And it was just like which is weird, because it's such a bizarre thing. Usually you plan something like that, but it was so clear and two weeks later I did it like and I started it. 

10:11 - Stacey (Host)
So you didn't like advise with anyone, you didn't like ask anyone, you didn't want to. 

10:15 - Shaun (Guest)
I told like a few people casually, I was like, yeah, I think I'm, I'm, I'm about to do a 40 day fast, because it turned into 40 days, because my I was telling my brother about it. He was one of the people I told about it and he was like you're going to do it, at least make it biblical and do 40. And I was like that's cool. I see, okay, I see that's interesting, okay, I get it. 

10:38 - Stacey (Host)
But and then? So what you said on day one in your video on day one was um, you did it because not to challenge yourself, not to prove yourself right, not for ego or any other reason besides. You believe that the subconscious is way more powerful and way more prevalent than we understand, and you believe that the absence of anything from the external world, the absence of substances, can help you tap into your subconscious further. 

11:04 - Shaun (Guest)
Was that that was the reason, that was the plan, that's, that's exactly, I mean the plan. But that was exactly the reason, in the feeling it was to tap into that subconscious. And I can explain like what I later learned from that. I went to that subconscious and in this world we're so tied to, like the materials, this, that, the other, but that is all within. Right, and then you need to block out the stuff that's out physically, though. 

11:32 - Stacey (Host)
Did you, as you were going into the fast, did you prepare and this is one of the audience questions actually but did you prepare before that? Like, did you taper down your eating? Did you like? You know anything that you just said? Okay, tomorrow I'm going to do it 40 day fast. 

11:46 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, pretty much I. So the week before, two weeks before, I was at the beach so with my family and I, the first week that was there, I was like okay, I'm gonna eat like Regularly, I'm just gonna celebrate With my family, like so, eat whatever, even like I was eating and I normally don't eat any processed sugar or like ice cream, or even I was having ice cream right with my family. I had a drink for that, and that there's. That's changed a little bit too. 

12:22 - Stacey (Host)
Teased people along this journey because I think it's fascinating, yeah different relationship with it. 

12:27 - Shaun (Guest)
Did you do? 

12:27 - Mark (Host)
anything in those two weeks Prior to starting, from when you decided to do it to when you started? You said it was two week time frame. Was there anything that you did in those two weeks that you think was helpful to you being successful in your fast? Or you just started it when you started it? And Caution to the wind. 

12:46 - Shaun (Guest)
Meditating, but I was already doing that like. 

12:47
I was already doing the theta breath work, meditating and stuff like that. But it was more mental because I knew it was gonna be a Mental journey and I've always tried to train my mind more than my body. And by training your mind You're actually able to do far more with your body. Right, our bodies are naturally very capable things, but it's our mind that tends to hold us back. And we see this with people who run the hundred mile or and then the hundred fifty mile, and then the 200 mile or Read. Before the first person ran it we thought it was impossible, and then someone runs it. It's like oh, now there's like five thousand people who do it per year, right? So I was very aware of that and I would speak upon that the power of the mind and and Study a lot of Dr Joe dispensers work which is like the placebo effect and Stuff like that. So it was more, I guess I would say, a mental preparation and Not as like curated or thought out, more just subconscious mental preparation like this is happening. 

13:44 - Stacey (Host)
Did you tell your family that you're gonna do it before you did it, because I can imagine there would have been some pushback so I Was, we were home and we're out we're out for dinner. 

13:59 - Mark (Host)
This is probably good story. Yeah, we're out to dinner and I was more. 

14:04 - Shaun (Guest)
I knew I was gonna do it, but I didn't really talk about it and I was just saying like Food is less. I was like speaking upon this to my family's like food is way less than what we think it is. 

14:16 - Stacey (Host)
It's not a source of energy, it's less important. 

14:18 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, I was just telling like it's not a source of energy. The source of energy is oxygen and this is the truth. This is scientifically understood. We just choose to not accept it, for whatever reason, but 99% of the energy that we get is actually from oxygen. It's not from food, and I now know that even further and deeper, at a deeper level. But I was explaining that and sharing that and kind of being like you know. 

14:39 - Stacey (Host)
I try to test the waters a little bit. Yeah, what did your mom say? 

14:43 - Shaun (Guest)
I think it just scared her like that way we're thinking kind of scared her and so like, during those two weeks at the beach I was right before the beach and then during those two weeks of the beach I started to like drip it out to Some people, but I don't think anyone really thought I was serious or like it was actually gonna happen, right. But I was like no, this, this is happening, like I'm doing it. 

15:04 - Stacey (Host)
I don't know why anyone who knows you wouldn't think you're gonna do it if you say you're gonna do it Pretty much. Do pretty much. Everything he says is gonna. 

15:10 - Mark (Host)
I got that same vibe, just from meeting you in the last podcast. 

15:12 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, yeah it did not surprise me when Stacy told me that you did a 40-some day fast yeah but like being a mother, yeah, and knowing, like so our whole goal is to make sure our kids are fed and Like knowing that my kid might not eat. 

15:30 - Shaun (Guest)
Felt for your mom so much like I'm sure she was, it was very hard for my mom and Like she was very scared and there was a lot of fear and a lot of family members, like, especially the first week or first two weeks, we're sending a lot of that fear like my way, like you're gonna die or, if you keep doing this, like you're gonna have Whatever, whatever, whatever. Here's this Google article, here's this article, all these things and I just blocked it out. I didn't read one of the things. I didn't respond to people who sent me the negativity by had dozens of that stuff being sent my way, and particularly my mom. 

16:08 - Stacey (Host)
She was just very scared, like naturally, like out of love, like she was just very fearful of it, knowing how I felt like and I know you just because of Zach, you know, but I was like I want to go get you and go feed you like, that's like in my mind I couldn't I couldn't like watch because I was like I just Want him to be okay because you know, for us, like in our mind, like food is pretty important, but obviously yeah, you didn't think that was the case. 

16:33
My question is like to like, when people were throwing these things at you, like how did you just stay on your path, like there was nothing that you looked at as negativity and not like potential Facts that could possibly happen to you, like so I guess two things with it. 

16:50 - Shaun (Guest)
One, like this was deeper than me, like and I knew that going in like this was a brand. It wasn't like a that, it wasn't a challenge, it wasn't like any of these things that I think a lot of people thought. I try to explain that very clearly, but but it was just so much deeper, so it was. It was beyond me, like that's how it felt so. It wasn't about these things was like. I just feel called to do this and it's that simple, like I need. 

17:12
This needs to be done, and I didn't entirely know why, but I just knew it needed to be done. 

17:19 - Stacey (Host)
Why did you document it and post it publicly? 

17:22 - Shaun (Guest)
So I documented it, and I only documented 13 days, and then I posted it. 

17:27 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, I saw that. 

17:28 - Shaun (Guest)
I saw everything later yeah so I documented initially because I was aware of the byproducts of what it could do. It wasn't the intention, but I was aware of it just being a conscious human. I mean by byproducts like the positive, positive stuff. 

17:45 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, the positive case how it could be really positive. 

17:48 - Shaun (Guest)
Yes, exactly like a lot, a lot of the positive byproducts, and I felt like inspired to do that and just very simply like unedited, just like talk in front of the camera. I just like no, like I didn't want it to be something that took energy from me, so it'd be very simple and I'd editors like hey, can I edit your stuff? 

18:05 - Mark (Host)
and do this. 

18:06 - Shaun (Guest)
I'm like listen, I, it is not about that at all. 

18:09
I'm only sharing this with the world Because a lot of people want to been asking for it and to. I do understand a lot of the byproducts that come from it, and some of them being One like understanding that our minds are way stronger than we we recognize to Fasting itself like a one-day fast or a three-day fast is one of the best things we could do for a body, and that's even scientifically understood Today. So when my brother I cancer, that went back home from this was back in March, so a few months prior, I went home to help build an immunity program for him. 

18:42
Oh, wow and the program was called immunity six. And that program you probably thought it was gonna be very, you know, extensive in this, that other, but it's really simple. It was one oxygen Get oxygen, so breath, work, breathe, breathe into the nose and then exercise to pump that action throughout the body to water. Drink A lot of water. Three earth go outside ground. Get sunlight, etc for Fire or heat or or which was the sunlight actually the heat. Part five all natural food. So just eat from nature, no fake stuff, and have like an intermittent fasting diet. And then six was Ether like get back and tap into meditation so build up the minds at her prayer, whatever might be. But the number one thing that I recommended to start immunity six was to do it three-day fast and he was so resistant to it really was like. 

19:33
I was like, why so resistant? Like you're about to go through chemo and radiation and all these Things that are really hard on the body. Yeah, all I'm recommending is you do a three-day fast. And it was like no, no, no, no, no. Then, after the fast, my brother gave me he's my older brother, we have a lot of respect for each other and he just gave me my space during the time, so we didn't talk during the whole fast and say one thing no, out of you because he knew and I don't think you had as much fear as others. 

19:56
he just knew like this was deeper and we talked afterwards and Part of the conversation was like Jack, would you do a three-day fast? And he was like, oh yeah, no problem, I would totally do it. 

20:07 - Stacey (Host)
I was like absolutely Just did a 40-day fast exactly so the amount of? 

20:13 - Shaun (Guest)
I had hundreds and hundreds of people I'm not even kidding, like on tiktok and Instagram, reaching out saying, hey, I, I'm inspired to do a 24-hour fast. Hey, I'm inspired to 48 hour fast. Hey, I already did a three-day fast, like and it was never extreme, like it was never Beyond what you know, because I wouldn't recommend hey, go do a 40-day fast or even a seven-day fast like. I would only recommend something. That that's all. I wouldn't deter it, but I also wouldn't recommend always your longest before you did this 48 hour. 

20:41 - Mark (Host)
Yeah yeah, four day fast. 

20:43 - Shaun (Guest)
I'm sorry, 48 hour today. 

20:45 - Stacey (Host)
I want to get in your head though, like when you started the fast because I don't want to make sure we'd get to everything, but when you started the fast, so you're like, okay, today is my first day of my fast, you post about it, you know whatever. Mm-hmm. How did you feel in those first three days that you're doing it? And then how did you start to feel Four or five, six, seven, because I know we both done three day fast. Yeah, that's a premise as long as I've lasted. Yeah, what happened after the third day and the fourth day? And like, how did you? 

21:13 - Shaun (Guest)
body. So day one was the only day when I had like a headache or anything okay, and that was from caffeine withdrawal. Right no doubt on my mind because I had a lot of caffeine before because I was like working and I got and so it's caffeine withdrawal. After that, no headache, no hunger, no hunger, nothing, no hunger, not even a low-grade hunger throughout. I was never hungry hunger not one time to the 40 days was I hungry. Not one time, not on day one two, three, four, five, six, seven. 

21:45 - Mark (Host)
So the human body gets hungry, right. 

21:47 - Shaun (Guest)
So hunger is actually a hormone that's produced by the mind okay. 

21:50
So when you're thinking I'm doing three day fast, you know at day three, okay, now it's time, right? So even if you go today, you're like I'm not gonna eat till dinner, you're not gonna be hungry really all day, unless you start thinking about it, and then right around dinner time you're gonna be hungry. It's similar with, like going to the bathroom. Like why is it that you don't really have to go to the bathroom? That bad. And then the second you get home it's like, oh my god. 

22:11
I go to the bathroom so bad and you like run into the house, have to go to the bathroom. Hunger is a similar thing where our brain is really Signaling the hunger. So my brain at a deep, deep level, this is where I was more saying this wasn't a challenge, this wasn't a thing like this was deep. It knew I was going the distance and knew I was going 40 days at least, like so it wasn't gonna torture me with that hunger and it just knew the food wasn't coming in. So why produce the hunger hormone? And I imagine I don't know the science behind this, but imagine that hunger hormone has something to do with, like, prepping the Gut for food that's about to come in, beyond just telling us hey, we're hungry. 

22:48 - Stacey (Host)
I'm just like, you're like. You're like say, you know, like sometimes, when I'm really hungry, like my stomach is like, oh no, not at all, like literally not. Not not one right, yeah, but also maybe you're intermittent fasting anyway, right Before you started the fast, like you weren't like eating three meals a day. 

23:04 - Shaun (Guest)
No, yeah, definitely wasn't eating three meals a day. I was more intuitive eating, so like two day, two meals, one meal a day, sometimes three, but it was more intuitive and in flow eating, but definitely not not three. 

23:16 - Stacey (Host)
All right, and then on date. So let's fast forward to day 12. So day 12. You said your body felt rejuvenated and recharged Because of the ocean dips. So the ocean really was what whole plunge. 

23:29 - Shaun (Guest)
The ocean was my source of electrolytes, so the elect water is great, but you're just bringing water. Our body doesn't absorb all that water. That's when you just drink a ton of water, you just eat a lot. 

23:43
Electrolytes. Salt is what will help store that water and our body, for our body to then use it and then flow in our bloodstream. So the ocean was my source of electrolytes. I would literally take a sip of the ocean and I would bring a bottle of ocean water home and I would have You'd be drinking ocean water, yeah legit and I know it's crazy, but like nature's nature's nature's, nature's, nature's medicine. Yeah, I mean it's. It's the most filtered source of water because of the salt right because of the salt and the constant flow. 

24:15
Yeah there's no lab that can filter water better than the ocean. There's no lab that has better Electrolytes than the ocean from the salt. And if you think about any water or salt or electrolyte that we get, it originated from nature At some capacity. Right, but then it went through all these lab things which are not natural, and we're natural creatures, so we're meant to have nature. So a lot of people be like you're drinking the ocean, that's nasty. 

24:38
There's this, that other I'm like no actually this is the best and most filtered Source of electrolytes you can get in the world. 

24:45 - Stacey (Host)
So how did you, how did you find that information out? Because I don't think that's how everyone feels. 

24:50 - Shaun (Guest)
Most information is all within you, just look within. 

24:55 - Stacey (Host)
It's true, though, like, if you like, don't listen to what people are researching and saying, like, just think about it in your own Brain and that's that's the answer, because a lot of that research that we have today. 

25:06 - Shaun (Guest)
It's just been built upon other research that we had yesterday and that research Contains, whether we even recognize or not, some sort of bias or greed. Right. So a lot, especially in the medical Bias or greed bias or greed in the research. 

25:18
So in data right, like I could. We could get find data about anything. I could get data to prove my point, just like the fast, for example, like I have that I could have if I Wanted to go there. I could have found a bunch of data that supports my case, and everybody else can find a bunch data I got support their case, and that's the where we live in, where we just have all this data and we say data is a source of truth. But all the data that we have today is a lot of it's manipulated, without even being known of some bias or greed Based on your agenda, right. So if I'm building a pitch deck for upspace, I'm gonna find the best statistics for that right. 

25:51
But doesn't necessarily mean they're a hundred percent true. I might think them true, so it's not like I'm lying Science. 

25:56
the science is true, no like science is literally just experiment, a bunch of experiments that we're experimenting with nature and then pulling the data from, and a lot of these experiments we don't. We're so disconnected from science that we see it as a source of truth. But really it's just been the past 50 years that science has transcended above the intuition and above spirituality and above everything else. But science is simply just trying to explain those things. And those things exist within and Without, like looking out to the stars. But science can't explain all these different things. But we literally like our bodies. For example, science still can't explain how our bodies work fully like our brain. It can't explain that. 

26:35
Yet we all have it, we all can feel it, we all consent to, we all understand it to a capacity. We can't always explain it, but we understand it because it's our bodies, and our bodies have trillions and trillions of cells and trillions and trillions of sensors. And then we go into a lab or a Hospital that has like a few scans and tells you exactly how you are right. It's like three scans, you know the MRI the cats get or whatever and it's there say this is how you are, this is how you feel you should take this medication, right, where our body has Billions of sensors. Every skin is measuring frequencies. Right, our eyes are seeing sight, our ears are catching the sound waves and then depicting different realities. 

27:14 - Stacey (Host)
So it's the most of going into our subconscious deeply enough, we can answer any question any question. 

27:19 - Shaun (Guest)
You're saying Okay, yes, I like that, yeah okay. 

27:22 - Stacey (Host)
So day 12 and you're feeling good, but then day 13 was an upsetting day. Do you remember day 13? Your brother called you crying. Yes, he was really, really nervous. Your family was so worried about you, so you decided you wouldn't be documenting your journey journey publicly and you told them you are stopping the fast. Yes, but what really happened? I? 

27:42 - Shaun (Guest)
Did not stop the fast and I felt really guilty, because I do not like lying. Like that's my number, like I've never, ever since I was a child. 

27:51
But if I felt like pigeon-holed, like it was like my, my 13 year old brother is calling me, crying, and that's coming because he's Witnessing my mom and how fearful she is out there and I see it. She's sending me all these articles and all these things and I was like my intention of this fast had nothing to do with, like I don't want to cause fear in my family, because I know fear leads to stress, stress leads information and inflammation leads to disease right. 

28:18
So I'm like I don't want to be Causing that fear and the truth, I don't want to receive the fear either, right. So I was like I have to. Just I try it every other way, like to try to Analytically explain to my mom how this isn't that bad or this, that or the other she didn't yeah, so. I just was like I gotta just tell her I'm not doing it. 

28:42
Yeah and I'm just gonna go within. I'll just kind of document everything for the sake of it, but I'm not gonna share it. And yeah, that was that. Yeah, it was for them, basically it was for them. 

28:56 - Stacey (Host)
So, but, like, but. You're in your mind, you're like I am not stopping this. 

29:00 - Mark (Host)
Oh yeah. 

29:01 - Shaun (Guest)
I already a day 13. I Need to see this all the way through it was, it was, it was, it was Even less like of a challenge. It was just like this this is bigger than me like this, is this, just this, just needs to happen. 

29:15 - Mark (Host)
So, would you say, you felt like you were more along for the ride than something you had to drive yourself. 

29:19 - Shaun (Guest)
Exactly, I was along for the ride. That's what it felt like. 

29:22 - Mark (Host)
So there were no challenges. It was not a challenge at all. It was not like it was already a foregone conclusion that you would hit the end game and the end goal, yeah, and in 40 days was the day that just came to me. 

29:33 - Shaun (Guest)
I could have been 60 it could have been 32, like if I felt called, but it was. It was more like there was a reason. I got that number in the beginning, the 42, and I'll share what happened in 42, but but there was a reason for that. So I felt like that was a number, but like I was just surrendering to the flow. Like if it ended up being 30, it was 30. If it ended up being 60 was 60. 

29:52 - Mark (Host)
There was no like I wasn't locked in on a certain number that was just the number that came and there was no specific difficulty or a specific surprise. It happened across those 40 some days. That made you question or gave you pause. 

30:05 - Stacey (Host)
Day 15 he questioned it. That was day 15. Remember that day 15. 

30:10 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, it was like what is, like why am I doing this? Or like what is it? 

30:15 - Stacey (Host)
What is it like? Right, what is this? I did have at least one day of questioning, because that's, you know, that's human, yeah. 

30:24 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, and it was. I think it was a lot I had to do with, like after telling my family. 

30:27 - Stacey (Host)
Now it was like you had that kind of guilt right now. 

30:30 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, I had the guilt of like I just had to lie right, do not like lying, and and yeah, so I was just like that was probably, I guess, the one, the one day, where I really so what then? 

30:42 - Stacey (Host)
when you're thinking that way and you're questioning it? What inside you Made you continue like? 

30:49 - Shaun (Guest)
It just once again that that gut feel like that that intuition that, like this is, this is bigger than me, like I'm just along for the ride type thing and I was doing a lot of meditation. So during you know, think about the time you're eating. That's like three hours a day. I was all meditating we're time, yeah, so I was meditating a lot and during that day, I don't remember specifically what, like you know, brought me to that state and what got me out of that state, but it was more like me just verbalizing some emotion, I guess in that, but I still knew like this is happening. 

31:27 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, I'm along the ride, but. 

31:29 - Shaun (Guest)
I'm emotionally like why? Like what is, what is the purpose, or whatever type thing. 

31:34 - Stacey (Host)
Was anyone beside your parents who were pushing you to stop, or your family? 

31:38 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, I mean my team at upspace. They were originally some of them were very hesitant about it. They were very respectful, but in the beginning they're like Little, not at at peace with it. But I had good conversations with all them. Um, dom was probably like what the heck? 

31:58 - Stacey (Host)
Well, that's why I want to talk to you too, because in the middle of this whole thing, I don't know what day it was in your fast day six, day six of your fast. Like do you want to tell the story? Like what happened with Dom? 

32:08 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, d6, my fast, I'm all the way to work. I sit down and I get a phone call from one of my good friends from Austin and he's like Dom is not breathing, he's in an ambulance and Either have him on a ventilator or anymore. 

32:22 - Stacey (Host)
I was like he's not breathing on his own. 

32:24 - Shaun (Guest)
Not breathing on his own and Dom is your good friend. 

32:27 - Stacey (Host)
Just Dom is one of my best friends. 

32:29 - Shaun (Guest)
Co-founder of upspace, so like deep connection from both levels. And this is day six of my fast and immediately I was like I need to go to Austin and I had a whole routine before like I was Up at 5 am. I was, I was actually working a lot. I just started CrossFit, I was running daily, I would do my meditation on the beach before work, get in the ocean, get my electrolytes, like I was, like it was smooth, I felt better than I've ever felt my life. And then day six it was like you need to go to Austin, texas, 110 degree heat and your friend just had a cardiac arrest. So I went there and he was literally like I will never forget this healthy, healthy guy. 

33:15
Healthy healthy guy, yeah, I mean yeah, he's building a health and wellness company. He's a health and wellness crater. He's very healthy guy and he just collapsed while doing a Sprint an all-out mild sprint and collapse, had a cardiac arrest, wasn't breathing, got brought back through CPR but still wasn't breathing on his own. They just got his heart rate back and then they had to put him on a ventilator and while I got there and also the same day, I mean, he's literally like he's just Basically like they were just keeping him alive. It looked like, in a way. 

33:47
Oh my gosh, which was wild and so, just like me and two others, and then his mom got there, and then me and his mom stayed overnight Just at the hospital, in the hospital floor, and it was crazy because, like periodically throughout the night, you just saw him get a little bit better and better and better, and just like come back, wiggle his fingers, wiggle his toes, move like his mom would come and he was like, open his eyes, like were you scared, like, or did you know Dom was gonna pull through I? 

34:14
Would say emotionally it was a little like whoa, but like deep down. Yeah he's, he's coming back. He's got it yeah he's coming back and he's coming back stronger, yeah, and literally the next day like he gets up, they'd say they knew you want to take the ventilator out for like three days. Usually the next day they take the ventilator out and the fear is like will they still be able to breathe on their own when you Take it out? And he who gave me all these drugs? 

34:46
Just like out and then he looks over upstairs like what are? 

34:51 - Mark (Host)
you doing here? 

34:52 - Shaun (Guest)
He's just like looks at me, I'm like surprise. 

34:54 - Mark (Host)
Hey like. 

34:56 - Shaun (Guest)
And he's all he's like out of it. But it was wild because it was like 24 hour period of time less where I see him and he's like being kept alive by these machines and then, and then he's just like good, and then from there. 

35:09 - Stacey (Host)
It was just like healing, healing, healing, and you didn't have like any stress Because, like a lot of people eat when they when they're stressed out Like I. You know, like I was on a 40 day fast it was day six and one of my friends was sick and I do the hospital like you know what, like I think this is good, I was right pause or cancel the cancel, yeah, so that I can try again starving. We'll try again later, like my friend sick. But you didn't, you didn't budge. It's crazy. 

35:33 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, it wasn't. Stress was more that there was temptation. You know people, we bring a Terry blacks barbecue. I'm like that looks so good, no it wasn't hunger, it was more like that looks so good yeah so that was what it was like like an urge, like biting your nails Right it's not a hunger for your nails. 

35:50
You're not like I'm so hungry for my nails, but you have this urge at least I Bum a nails like all of an urge is bite my nails and that's more the stress urge, or whatever it might be, that we develop in eating and that urge is very habitual, like through my whole life and all her whole lives. So I would definitely have that urge, but it was not a hormonal like hunger or stomach thing. It was more like. That looks good. 

36:12 - Mark (Host)
Right, like I haven't heard you get it or like I haven't heard, just sip, that type. 

36:16 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, yeah. So you went home, dom's okay, and then you just kept going. So you've been back to the ocean water, back to your routine. You were still running like was your body fatigued. 

36:25 - Shaun (Guest)
So the awesome me I was still running an awesome, but it was like hot I mean it was like 105 degrees out and there was no ocean. Yeah so no electrolytes, I'm just drinking water. But I didn't have as much water because I didn't have a car like where before. I would just walk Everywhere. I pick up my mountain valley water like I'm good for the day. I got my 12 pack like I was just guzzled, but now it's like it was like everything was kind of just like yeah. 

36:50
Functioning like as much as possible just having some water, so running was hard and that that made like when I went back I stopped doing the CrossFit Because, like once you, I lost the mojo's right okay. 

37:03 - Stacey (Host)
I'm just gonna would have had the energy to do CrossFit without eating for. 

37:07 - Shaun (Guest)
I think I could have kept doing it if I kept. Once I stopped and I kept running like so it's still run on the beach and I run outside like three miles, four miles sometimes. 

37:16 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah they kind of feel more tired than when you eat or I would feel Energized by like the exercise. 

37:21 - Mark (Host)
There is no depression of energy, no depression of any physical capability seriously over the multiple weeks of not getting any. You're gonna say no, because your fuel comes from oxygen, not from food exactly and you never have a moment, like I could tell in some of the videos that you seemed less. 

37:39 - Shaun (Guest)
A lot of those videos I was taking at 12 30 like literally, like it was the last thing I did. I didn't think about the videos at all. It was like, yeah, I've been working the other day and it'll be 12 30 at night. I'm like walking home, like I should probably document something. 

37:50 - Stacey (Host)
I would just be like hey, whatever. 

37:54 - Shaun (Guest)
Do whatever this and and like people, be like you, look like you're dying, like no, like it's just literally 12, 30 at night and I'm tired right. That's when most of these would take place, but but by day 30 like. So day 30 I stopped exercising around them. Yeah, and when I stopped exercising, that's when I started felt bodily fatigued. Okay, like once I stopped running is when I started feeling a little like bodily fatigue, so the exercise kept me like we get a run. 

38:21 - Stacey (Host)
Back though, to day 25, day 25, day 25. Remember what happened day 25? 

38:26 - Shaun (Guest)
Day 25. I thought it was day 24, but day 25. That was when I told my mom. 

38:31 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, your mom found out. Your mom found out that you were still in the fast. How did she find out she? Found out how did she find out? I mean everybody, probably. Well, I don't know, because you weren't posting anything. 

38:41 - Shaun (Guest)
I wasn't posting anything. I I think she probably had a gut feeling. Honestly, I was still doing this and then she started to call Dom and when she started called Dom and my team and like I got like this was like a week moment. 

38:54
Yeah, I got really upset about it and I got a little angry, but it ended up being like a breakthrough for me and my mom and our relationship and everything on that day because I recognize and at this point, after hours and hours and hours of meditating and being tapped in, like I it was, I was prior to that I was trying to, like, alleviate her fears with my analytical thoughts, right, so, alleviate her fears with truth, I guess I could say. And the thing is, though, like fear cannot. Fear is like the darkness. Like with fear, you can't have love, and love is light. And when she's coming in with this darkness of the fear now that she's darkness, but this fear was taken over her If I'm just coming in with truth, she's like she's in the dark, she can't see it, she can't understand it. 

39:38 - Stacey (Host)
She can articulate your truth right. It's not necessarily you're not showing her like science from. You know it was science. 

39:44 - Shaun (Guest)
I mean, I was. I'm very knowledgeable about this rain and, like you can logically think of these things and every science experiment. Like I could go do a science experiment based on all these things, say, and then if it tests, true, it's true. And then you replicate it a million times or a thousand times and there's a science experiment. Right, that's science. 

39:58
That's all it is and you know, I could tell from my own thing like this is science, like the things that I'm saying, but but so I'm just leading with truth. But if she's in dark, she can't see that truth. So what I learned on day, it was 24, but they 25. 

40:13
Day 24, which is a special number. But day 24 I Realized like I, it's not. I can't leave with truth, you have to leave with light. So you leave with light and then you bring the truth. So in light is love. So on day 24, I just called her after we had our little argument. I called her back. I was just like mom, I love you and I love myself and I'm not gonna do anything to hurt myself and I'm not gonna do anything to hurt you, that's good. 

40:39
But I just live with love and literally that help from that Just snap, because then when you leave with light and darkness now the room is light and then you say, hey, here's the truth and here's the information, because now they trust you, because they can see, and then you lead the way to the light room, to the room that remains light, and from that day forward my mom had more peace, she could sleep better at night and she would even text me and be like hey, I want to do a fast with you today or whatever. 

41:05 - Stacey (Host)
And I was like Did you understand where she was coming from, though, as a mom like, could you kind of put yourself in her shoes, a little bit like Originally I was just like resistant towards it. Yeah, you don't want to think about it because it's your mom hurting, right? Yeah? 

41:19 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah and more. I was like mom, like like you can't love with fear, like you literally can't have hope when you have fear, and hope is A precursor to love. So if you have fear, you can't give me love and if I know this is out of love for you, but you're not giving me love, you're just giving me fear in their opposites. So that's how you should explain it to her. But that was where she had the resistance to it and Then, once I started leading with love, then she started pouring in love and, like I, in order to leave with love, I had to understand exactly where she was coming from and I was. 

41:50
So I would think I'm like okay if I had a kid. 

41:54 - Mark (Host)
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42:10 - Stacey (Host)
Did you ever? 

42:11 - Mark (Host)
consider that that was the ultimate purpose of the fast to have this transformative relationship change with your mother. 

42:18 - Stacey (Host)
Wow, I, I one of them anyway think that was definitely one of them. 

42:23 - Shaun (Guest)
But I think it was like a transformative relationship with all Like the world, because how I used to think before was with the analytical mind. Which is the truth and when I live with truth, like I'm. You know, I wear no shoes. I am very Unconventional in this modern world. 

42:40
I guess, and when I leave with truth, with that I get resistance from the modern world all the time, so my truth is not getting out there. So I think what the fast taught me is that is to leave with love and to leave with light and Then to bring the truth. Not the truth isn't there, but leave with light and then bring the truth. So it changed my relationship with really everyone, like with the world, to be able to get the message across and to Hopefully reconnect humanity back to where we came from, which is nature. 

43:08 - Mark (Host)
So I said your goal in our first time we sat down. That was your goal to reshape culture in that way. Yeah, because it's important. 

43:15 - Shaun (Guest)
I think we've just we've, we've lost touch of the original source, and that original source is so Abundant, like you look out into the stars, but it's also so peaceful and there's guidance, and so there's just harmony in that source. So we've, as a society, we've kind of gone so far away from it. We've just built upon a material thing built upon that, built upon that, but for what? So this fast, I think, was in a way, help me totally free myself from it, but then also recognize how to share and lead the way, and With both the love and the truth, and then show the way. 

43:54 - Stacey (Host)
So I think it's part of the last like three or four days of your fast, like you were talking about. Like you're almost like I Felt, like in some of your documents that you're kind of like sad that it was ending Is that the kid? Or like just like you know, like you're excited to celebrate with everybody, but also like you knew that like the chances of you doing this again we're probably pretty slim and like. So what did you feel that way? Like were you? 

44:18 - Shaun (Guest)
I want to say it was a sadness. It was more of a an awareness of these are the last three days that I might be in the state of mind, in this state of clarity in my body For maybe ever, or maybe for a long time, I didn't know. So it was more of like awareness and like an appreciation and a gratitude For these last three days. Then it was like a sadness to be done because at the same time I was so excited and happy? 

44:45 - Stacey (Host)
Were you excited? Because I wasn't getting the feeling that you were like stoked to get your food in, like on day 40? You know what I mean. 

44:51 - Shaun (Guest)
Like I I was in a very, very zen state. So it's like not this roller coaster of emotions, like it was just a very Steady state. So I was internally very excited to and it wasn't just about the food, but it was. It was a lot about the Celebrating with people, celebrating with people, and just because most celebrations are done around food, like foods the center of it. So towards the end, like those temptations just became, like or it was just like a lot like it was just. 

45:20
It would drain a lot of energy because I would go to the celebrations and I would have to resist the temptation of food and Socialize at the same time, where, like I was in a meditative state and whatever. 

45:31 - Stacey (Host)
So can imagine. 

45:32 - Shaun (Guest)
So by the last two weeks, like I was kind of isolating myself a little bit to meditate more, and it was beautiful, but I was ready, like I was excited, to just integrate back with the world. You know, to have, yeah, like a cup of cacao with like all the people on the property and stuff like that. 

45:49 - Mark (Host)
So were you, excuse me, were you, along the way, looking forward to day 40 because you thought something would be coming, something would happen? So it was sort of like looking forward to Christmas right, like I can't wait to get there because that day is an important day so this is actually a One of the biggest breakthroughs of the entire fast is no, I wasn't. 

46:16 - Shaun (Guest)
And the reason? Because, if I did, it would have been so hard. Because if I'm on day three, looking forward to day 40, how the heck am I supposed to do 37 days or no eating? Likewise, if I'm on day 13 and looking back To the past of like before, it'd be really hard to be able to get through another 20, 27 days. So what it? What it forced me to do is To collapse between the space between in the future in the past, which is the present, right now. 

46:45
Yeah so I had to trust and surrender to the present moment fully in order to get through it. It forced me to do that and in that present moment there's so much more peace because you're not worried about the past, you're not worried about the future, you're just clear and your present, just to stay in the present, in the present moment. 

47:03
So so yeah, like I couldn't like almost just not, not even like my willpower doing it, like almost by nature, like in order to do this thing, I had to just stay present in the moment, and I think that was the most profound gift to have. 

47:18 - Stacey (Host)
Discipline like what is it like? What keeps you in the question in the present? 

47:23 - Shaun (Guest)
moment. 

47:23 - Mark (Host)
Yeah meditation meditation, because you know meditate at all. 

47:28 - Stacey (Host)
No, I talk about it all the time and I just can't. 

47:31 - Shaun (Guest)
I just have To like people to do it. I've felt that it's like a weird thing. I think it's because you we fear, like what could come up. I want to do it. 

47:39 - Stacey (Host)
It's when I started doing it a while ago. 

47:41 - Shaun (Guest)
I it made me sad because I think I have some things to work through, so I realized that if I start to meditate I'm gonna have to take at least a week and so like go and uncover that, process it all myself. 

47:52 - Stacey (Host)
And I just I haven't given myself enough time to do that. 

47:55 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah. 

47:55 - Stacey (Host)
I think I'm gonna need that time, because every time I start to meditate on like the whole day sad, you know, because I haven't finished Very envious. I would love to be able to meditate every day. Yeah so I think I'm gonna do that's on my goal list. 

48:11 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, it's once, because it is like those things in the past. Whatever it is, there's still. Yeah, you're not. You, whether you recognize it or not. Yeah, they're still there. So the meditating although you got to confront them oftentimes because they can come up, but we're confronting him daily, it's just we're not fully aware of the confrontation. So this is just awareness of the confrontation, but through that you can then alleviate it and then you walk Throughout the where without it. 

48:38
So meditating can be a form to like Deal with your challenges and then find that love within and start to love yourself. 

48:45 - Stacey (Host)
So you woke up on day 40. It was your last day of the fast. Yeah, what were you thinking like? How did that whole day go? And then you ate on day 41? Is that? 

48:54 - Shaun (Guest)
yeah, day 41, so we're preparing for your first meal. 

48:58 - Stacey (Host)
Like what walk us through that last day. 

49:00 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, I would say, the last two days I was mentally preparing for the first meal for the integration process. Back in, just like even speaking or thinking to myself like, alright, I'm gonna my guts gonna be strong, like because there was fears of you know, I have fear, fear Mongering in the beginning, people throwing me articles about fear, and then at the end too, saying if you integrate too fast by a fast. 

49:22 - Mark (Host)
You'll die like the same thing happened at the end. 

49:29 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, so if you eat too quickly, you know since? My guy like had nothing. You know, the thought is that my stomach shrivels, or whatever, but so they were sending those articles of this, that another few to my wrong things? 

49:44 - Stacey (Host)
apparently not because I ate, because you didn't do any sort of integration. 

49:47 - Mark (Host)
I didn't follow any of their things. 

49:51 - Shaun (Guest)
So my integration was more like than two different things, and my first three things, which I call the reborn ritual, was raw organic milk, raw organic honey and raw organic cacao. And still every single day. Those are the three things that I start my day with I don't need anything until I have my raw organic milk, raw organic honey, raw organic cacao, for the most part. Some states raw organic milk is illegal, so in Atlanta it was hard to get. I couldn't get it. 

50:21 - Stacey (Host)
Because they say there could be bacteria in it Because it hasn't been pasteurized. 

50:25 - Shaun (Guest)
It's all the c there's a lot of confused people out there who've created these confused rules, but they're not truth. 

50:32 - Mark (Host)
OK. 

50:34 - Shaun (Guest)
So yeah, that's why. 

50:35 - Stacey (Host)
So why those three things? 

50:37 - Shaun (Guest)
So, it was just what really came to me during it. Like milk and honey, like honey. I'm really fascinated by bees. I've always had this connection to bees. How they like levitate they have this frequency. How beekeepers have the longest life expectancy. How honey is the longest natural preservative. 

50:53 - Stacey (Host)
The keepers have the longest life expectancy. 

50:54 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, by, like years, by years, yeah yeah, because of the frequency, it's so healing and the honey is like natural preservative, so it preserves for an infinite amount of time. Basically, they found honey for like 3,000 years ago by tombs of mummies. That's still good honey. And then the raw milk is. They're both like these net positives, like they exist from the earth. Right, it's good for the cow, it's good for the human, it's good for the land, it's good for everybody. There's no death in the equation. Same thing with honey it's good for the bees, it's good for the land, the pollen, and it's good for the human. And then cow is this sacred medicine that helps open up the heart, the circular system. So it helps with the blood flow, the heart, which a lot of the fast was about that love. 

51:38 - Stacey (Host)
And then mother's milk, right, it's like the first thing that you have when you're born, when you're reborn. So this is kind of like a rebirth. 

51:44 - Shaun (Guest)
Exactly, exactly. So that's how I explain it. I'm understanding. I think I'm on your wavelength, Sean. Exactly, you're getting there and the honey is like infinite time. 

51:53 - Stacey (Host)
Did you feel like you wanted to vomit after I wasn't having? There was no reaction, physical reaction. 

51:59 - Shaun (Guest)
No, no, so good, that's nuts. So not till day 42, but on that day when I integrate, I had those first three things and then I was going to just be intuitive with my body, Like what do I have next? So I had that felt amazing. Then I was like, all right, I'll try smoothie. Had fruit, made it smoothie felt amazing. And I was like, all right, I'll try a whole food. And I had a avocado, just whole, and maybe a pineapple or watermelon from one of the farmers and had that felt amazing. And then at nighttime the same day, Chef Thomas, who I live with, he comes back and he brings his big fat chicken and it was for himself and he just cuts it in half. He's like, do you want it? I was making bone broth. 

52:39 - Stacey (Host)
He just likes the chicken. I've said you want yeah. 

52:41 - Shaun (Guest)
And I was like I'll try it. I had a little bite, Felt amazing. I had the whole chicken the first day. So the first day I had all those things and I felt absolutely amazing. So the integration process was extremely smooth. 

52:56 - Stacey (Host)
Did you weigh yourself at all along the way? Do you know how much you weighed before and how much you weighed after? 

53:00 - Shaun (Guest)
No, I did not weigh myself. A lot of people wanted me to weigh myself get the blood work or have people offering to give me blood work like this, that, that, and I was like it's not about that, and do you still weigh yourself at all, like do you know how much weight you lost? I have not weighed myself, but I imagine I've gained a lot of it back, but I have not weighed myself. I don't even know what. I weighed before fully, and I have not weighed myself after. 

53:20 - Stacey (Host)
So I heard, like I know Zach was like, oh my god, I think he's only like 8% body fat and he's going to not eat for 40 days. What's going to happen to him? He's going to have like no. 

53:28 - Shaun (Guest)
I was probably zero. I have a picture. 

53:29 - Stacey (Host)
I'm not sure of a picture. 

53:30 - Mark (Host)
But, I was probably 0% body fat. 

53:33 - Shaun (Guest)
But I was cut Like I had, of course crabs or she were cut. I was like strong 0% body fat. 

53:38 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, I feel like I've talked the whole time. 

53:39 - Mark (Host)
No, no, no, it's all right, I do have a question I want to ask, because you teased that you wanted to talk about what happened on day 42, because that was the original number that came to you. What happened on day 42? 

53:50 - Shaun (Guest)
So on day 42, it was two days after I'm integrated back and I was like the one thing that I lack clarity on was what was I going to eat? Going forward, I knew I was going to eat raw, organic, just healthy food, but between the carnivore diet, the vegan diet, this, and that I wasn't attached to any or the other. I just wanted to do what was the best for my body. And I didn't know. And originally I was going to do carnivore diet. But then somebody on the farm was like why don't you just celebrate life and just have whatever comes, as long as it's good? I was like I like that, I'll do that, I'll just whatever comes. So not carnivore or vegan, just both. And so on day 42 was the first day that I had. It was night. I had this rice, which is a grain, it was like a broccoli or vegetable and then some grass-fed, I think venison or the deer meat I always forget the word. 

54:45 - Stacey (Host)
That's venison, yeah. 

54:46 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, venison, and it was delicious, but it was the first time I had the broccoli and also the green and I felt great. After my mind was sharp, I was like I was good and I felt a little full, but I felt good. And then in the middle of the night on day 42, I just woke up to this pull from my gut. It literally felt like something just pulled me and I just woke up out of bed, jumped out of bed and just released everything in the gut and then had Did you wrap? No, the other way. 

55:19 - Mark (Host)
Oh, I did. 

55:20 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, and I had this During the fast. People thought did you hallucinate, like, did you this? No, not at all. I was actually more clear than ever been, like so clear. My meditations were profound and deep, but I never hallucinated or had any out of body experience at all. Then, on day 42, during this, I literally had this out of body experience where it felt like that gut was speaking to me and just explaining exactly what. And I wrote this down because I developed this AI journal tool, so I'm just writing everything down. I haven't looked back at the notes yet that I've wrote down, but it was explaining to me exactly how the gut works and the connection between the gut and the brain, and how the gut requires space and time in order to process information. 

56:07
And food isn't about energy, it's about information, getting information about the land, the past, the environment, the universe like just information, the wisdom. That's what food is. And it was just telling all this and then it pulled me out of the bathroom, brought me back to bed and I just lie down in bed. I'm like, oh my gosh, like what just happened. And then all of a sudden it comes back again and just starts speaking to me. Everything that I can have like my entire ingredient list Raw milk, milk and honey, milk and honey, milk and honey, milk and honey, milk and honey, milk and honey, milk and honey, cacao milk and honey, cacao milk and honey, cacao milk and honey, cacao Milk and honey, cacao meat and it was just like repeat itself and go on and then add the next thing, add the next thing. And then it started to say not this, Not this, not this Not like, not what. 

56:51 - Stacey (Host)
No, vegetables no grains no vegetables, no grains. 

56:55 - Shaun (Guest)
So no vegetables, no grains, no, uh, and I can explain what I learned from that later. 

57:01 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, because. 

57:01 - Shaun (Guest)
I know why I'm just like this is a crazy experience. I'm just going to follow this Like what the heck is going on, and I know it sounds crazy, but like this is just the truth. 

57:10 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah. 

57:11 - Shaun (Guest)
And so it's our spin. I just write, write it all this down. But it gave me this clarity. I was like, okay, like I'm just going to trust and surrender to that, like that that could be. 

57:20 - Mark (Host)
Couldn't be more clear of like what to do, like it, like it, just like so clear. 

57:24 - Shaun (Guest)
So I started following that. But two things that were really fascinating, that were like against the carnivore diet and kind of on the vegan diet, like this blend, were that I could have almond nuts and seeds, like I said that, and then wheat and like wheat, like good wheat, so like sourdough, and that was like totally against the carnivore diet or this. Um, so I was like okay, whatever, but like that's what it is. So it wasn't like following any diet and literally like four days later, some crazy thing happened where you know, almond nuts seeds got introduced to me in this crazy fashion and then, like seven days later, like some wheat thing, where this girl who has a company called bread and she starts telling me like like speaking this wisdom, and I'm like what the heck she's talking about bread and like it just all came back like why I could have that later. But it was crazy, like it was one of the most profound moments of my life. No doubt Like it was. The most profound moment of my life was that day 42, because literally I went into it for my subconscious or my gut and then all of a sudden it was like my gut was just like speaking to me on day 42. Like, like out of this weird, out of body experience and you know, I learned that the gut, subconscious, god, creator, universe, energy, jesus, holy Spirit, that's just different words, it's all the same thing. So that's literally what it felt like. Like, just like it was, it was yeah, I mean, it was just crazy. 

58:49
I'm obsessed with bees, like honey is one of the you know thing I have every day, and I'll literally like like I'm starting my own hive and everything, so I'll be surrounded by bees and like thousands of bees, no mask or anything, I just like love it, the frequency and everything. And people see me on the property to live. So someone, amy, she gave me a book, the Shamanic Way of the Bee, and I was on the plane going to Austin this was like last week and in the book, like I, there was a whole delay. I wasn't reading the book for a month. Then there was a whole delay in the plane so I was like, all right, I'll read this book, ended up being like an hour and a half delay. 

59:22
So I read through like most of the book and the last page on the book, before we getting off, the beekeeper the Shaman beekeeper was basically passing down the torch to the next beekeeper and part of that ceremony was mead and I was so fast I was like bee, like just water and honey as an alcohol, like that's the most natural form and its most ancient. It's been around for like 9000 plus years, probably hundreds of thousands. Ok, and I look up an article to learn more about it. The bottom of the article has some reading like the details of it. 

59:52 - Mark (Host)
There's an address right in Texas and I'm like oh, I mean, texas is pretty big, but let me just look this up, it is big. 

01:00:00 - Stacey (Host)
I look it up, it's 25 minutes away. 

01:00:02 - Mark (Host)
No way. 

01:00:03 - Shaun (Guest)
So it's literally like a meadery with a tasting. 

01:00:05 - Mark (Host)
So did you drive over there With a tasting room. That's fantastic. 

01:00:07 - Shaun (Guest)
So we literally go over there and me and Chris and my friend Nick and we go over there and we try the mead and they're right on there, just big bees, like these old books about beekeeping and this and that other, and I'm literally starting at Beehive. So it was so fascinating, like I'm learning all these things, and so we had the meat and it was absolutely delicious and and I don't drink much we have probably like four glasses of it. How to be up at 5 am in the morning the next day for a flight. 

01:00:32
Well, yeah, that's no hangover, felt I forgot. I even drank the night before. That's awesome. 

01:00:37 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah. 

01:00:38 - Shaun (Guest)
So mead is some special. 

01:00:40 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, you knew about that. 

01:00:41 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, yeah, let me. Let me ask you a question. Yeah, having gone through what you went through, yeah, if you go home tonight and your gut tells you, hey, guess what you need to do another 42 days, what? What's your answer? 

01:00:56 - Shaun (Guest)
I'm doing it. Yeah, when, after the fast, like a lot of, like abundance started coming my way it's like upspace all the stuff started to happen. This joint venture started to occur, this other thing started to occur Like I'm starting this big fund, like all the creators started coming to a platform. Like a lot of abundance. Meanwhile, I'm living on probably the most precious land in all of LA and LA is a very wealthy place and I'm living on probably the only 20 people living this land, literally in the mountains of Malibu, right by the ocean, and I'm like so blessed, like, of all these things that are coming my way. And one grounding thing that I always try to say to myself, or especially at the fast, was if this is all taken away, am I still peaceful and happy? Sure, if it's all taken away and I try checking to myself time and time again and if the answer is no, which sometimes it- is you can feel it Like if you don't lie to yourself, then it's like I need to meditate. 

01:01:52
I need to do something to get back to the state where, if this is all taken away, the answer is yes. So if I need to go to Tibet and spend 120 days there in silence by myself and there's some call that brings me there, yes, I will do it. And if it's a fast, if whatever it is, I will do it. 

01:02:08 - Stacey (Host)
But the parameters of normal every day, like work, like wouldn't let like people who are listening to this go do stuff like that. Right, I mean, they got to work. You know, like, and I know you guys were doing a special thing with upspace, but a lot of people got to work nine to five and they have to do their things. Like, what would you tell those people? Like, how can they apply some of these things you've learned when they can't, might not have the stamina to do like a 40 day fast, might not be able to leave and go to Tibet or move to Malibu or do what you guys have done? What would you say? 

01:02:37 - Shaun (Guest)
So everybody has a different current right, A different river that we're meant to follow. So my river is different than everybody else's river. We're different, different minds, so I want to tell anybody what to do what not to do type thing. 

01:02:51
What I would tell them is try to align their free will with that divine will, with that natural will, right? So literally. Imagine a river and there's this current in that river and if you're alive when we're born, we're we're, for our free will is in the river, with the natural will, we're just flowing, right, that's why babies are this beacon of love. And then, as we get older, you know different biases, different things, you learn these things, different flashy objects, whatever. Our free will starts to chase different things and we start to deviate from that current and that deviation, just like current, there's still this pull, this force to bring you back, and that's the anxiety and the stress and the fear that we get, because we know we're not, in that, aligned with the natural. 

01:03:30
Natural will or free will is now deviated. So my only advice to people is to try to align your free will with that natural will, because then you're still conscious, you're still being, you're still your free will, but you're aligned with it because nature, the truth, is. You look up in the stars, look to land, look to the sea. It's guided, you have the current, it's peaceful, you can float in the lazy river, whether it's going fast or slow and it's abundant. So by aligning with that, you tap into that infinite power where, when we deviate now, you're limited to this material world, like you're limited to these things. So that's my only advice is like follow your current, like take time to meditate so you can surrender to that current because you tap into all these sources and then maybe try to do that before you are stuck with all the bills of the house and the you know like even, even, even, with the bills of the house and all these things the current the current might like it's not going to like the the. 

01:04:31
The current that you align with is more about bringing peace. So it might be like, yeah, still work this job. I don't know. Like it might be like this, that or the other like we're fine, everything's sort of on that channel. 

01:04:42
Focus on that and and and and. If it tells you to do something that might not necessarily make sense, I can almost guarantee, I can promise, by following that the abundance comes Like. There's more abundance in following that. There's more peace and guidance and abundance that comes from following that cause. You literally get connected to nature and nature is so abundant Like look out the force of the waves. Nobody can swim as fast as the current, nobody on their own. So the current is way stronger, way faster. Nobody can produce as much energy as the sun or the stars Right. Nobody can create the harness gravity today, but nature has all this. So if we can tap into that, we become a part of that and there's actually more abundance in it in this material world too. 

01:05:23 - Mark (Host)
I love the way you said I do. It's very hopeful, encouraging way to think, very positive way to think. 

01:05:28 - Stacey (Host)
I think, like the and you know, you probably you're kind of, probably don't feel like you're young, but you're 24. I wonder if I wonder if you can keep this like it would be so amazing to talk to you like 10, 15, 20 years from now, and if you're the same, you have the same mentality. 

01:05:44 - Shaun (Guest)
I mean, imagine you would, but you know, yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's as a society I hope to make it like, change it so that like an older person would think we'll have hope for the youth. 

01:05:59
Right Like today's and this has been going on for a while where the older generation has lost hope because, like, the world is so disconnected Like that's more my point, like that's why I'm on this mission where you know, like my grandmother, when she passes away, she passes away fearful of her grandchild's future, right, and that's why I'm doing the work that I'm doing to create a world where we can die peaceful, because the future is protected and the future is actually have, has more harmony and is more connected in nature, and that's why I do the work that I do. So I, I I intend on remaining in the state and I intend on helping it so that everybody else can get to the state it's not just me, I hope it works, I really really do. 

01:06:39 - Stacey (Host)
But I have to ask you these audience questions. First question was at what point did you start to truly feel starving? In your saying you never did, Never felt hungry, and that's the truth. Like I, what was the closest to giving up that you were day 15? 

01:06:55 - Shaun (Guest)
I, it wasn't. I was never going to give up and it wasn't even about giving up or giving in. It was more just like surrendering to the fall. But I wouldn't. I was not. There was no like giving up, I was. So there was no like point. There's no point. 

01:07:09 - Stacey (Host)
There was no point. Yeah, okay, this is kind of a weird question, but I'm asking it because the audience wants to know did? 

01:07:14 - Mark (Host)
you poop. 

01:07:16 - Stacey (Host)
Did you poop? 

01:07:16 - Mark (Host)
People want to know if you're not eating for 40 days did you go to the bathroom after day 13? 

01:07:21 - Stacey (Host)
What did it look like? 

01:07:22 - Shaun (Guest)
After day 13,. Not once. 

01:07:24 - Stacey (Host)
Not one time after day 13. 

01:07:25 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, so like now, I took 13 days, though If there's no nothing in your system, that's crazy. 

01:07:33 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, letting it all out and it was like gradually less and less and less. But day 13 was like the last time and that freak you out at all, Really no it was like this, like this is like freedom yeah. 

01:07:43
I'm like my gut is free Like it's it's. There's nothing in it. I think now if I did it like I want to get to that state, I'll continue to fast, yeah, but I think it could be like seven days or four days now, but I had a lifetime of like excess stuff in there that was just right. 

01:07:57 - Stacey (Host)
You don't need as many days now because you kind of got a yeah, cause I did a rebirth yeah. What happened to your activity level work, social, et cetera. 

01:08:05 - Shaun (Guest)
Work. I was working 14 hours a day, Um, and I had so much more time and I didn't require as much sleep either. So work, I was like, and you, you could ask Dom or my whole team. 

01:08:15 - Mark (Host)
I was a machine like very productive, uh, social. 

01:08:20 - Shaun (Guest)
I was still out and about for the most part. It was just those last like week and a half or so that I started to I sleep, but it was still like you know, social. 

01:08:27 - Stacey (Host)
I wasn't totally out and then, uh, you feel spacey at all, like you know were you no clear as could be like, because there was no spike or crash. 

01:08:37 - Shaun (Guest)
It was just like from the time I woke up to the time I went to bed. Choo, Did you have any? 

01:08:42 - Stacey (Host)
hours a night. Did you sleep? 

01:08:44 - Shaun (Guest)
Um probably like six. 

01:08:45 - Stacey (Host)
No trouble sleeping. Not once slept like a baby yeah. Um, and I think I know the answer to this, but how did you handle withdrawal, such as caffeine protein, et cetera? 

01:08:55 - Shaun (Guest)
So the only like withdrawal was caffeine, and maybe it was like withdrawal of everything, but it was on day one just like a little headache. It wasn't even that bad, but other than that it was, it was good. 

01:09:06 - Stacey (Host)
And I think I know the answer is to take aspirin or any over the counter medications. Wash your hair. 

01:09:13 - Shaun (Guest)
No, no, no, no, no no, no, because I nothing in my body to smell, so I just smell like human, and if you smell baby my brother just had a baby yesterday you smell like a baby, and I was, I mean the natural smell of a human is actually really good Like. It's like just this natural smell and I imagine I smell like that. I don't know, you can't really smell yourself. 

01:09:32
It's like yeah but I imagine, I imagine smell like that. It's food. When we put in toxins, when we sweat or we release these glands, we're just releasing the toxins. Otherwise, sweating is just water and the toxins are what smell. So the worse you eat, the worse you smell, and I already knew that. 

01:09:48 - Stacey (Host)
Interesting. So I wasn't, I wasn't fearful, and congrats to your brother yesterday. Yeah, congrats, I'm trying to baby, a girl A girl Eliana, so cool. Okay, what are the after effects, short and or long term? 

01:10:01 - Shaun (Guest)
Any like bodily after effects or so I would say I just felt reborn with my body, so like it's like a clean state, fresh start and I would honestly say, like the fast I was in the journey, but after the fast has been way more like profound and wild, like post fast. It's been even more deeper, because now it's like integrating. Now it's the rest of my life, so after effects, and what is? 

01:10:30 - Stacey (Host)
expected that doesn't make you want to do it for the day fast. 

01:10:32 - Mark (Host)
Well, you know, it's interesting because we had talked about that, we had done a three day fast and we felt energized, we felt more clarity at doing that third day. So my expectation is that would absolutely wane when you get to day 10, day 30, day 40. But you're saying it just, it just rides the entire time and it doesn't dissipate when you're done. 

01:10:51 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, well, it's just different, Like, I guess I would say, when you're done, it's like, it's like a rebirth. So you just look at, like everything I see, like the lights, the sounds, the colors. I'm literally reborn. Like. I see everything differently for like the first time. I love it In a way. 

01:11:09 - Stacey (Host)
So yeah, I asked that question about the lead up and did you taper your food? You didn't you just like that week before you were like I'm done. 

01:11:17 - Mark (Host)
It was very quick. 

01:11:18 - Shaun (Guest)
I'm gonna do fast, I'm doing it. 

01:11:20 - Stacey (Host)
Um what days were the hardest. 

01:11:23 - Shaun (Guest)
I would say day six, which was with Dom, when you had the cardiac arrest and those days in Austin were just like very hard because it was Dom, so it was emotionally challenging the heat of Austin out of routine out of routine and everybody bringing down the best food in the world, because we had that did Um. So those days were probably the hardest, and then also the on top of those same days that only made the fear of all my loved ones even more. 

01:11:54 - Mark (Host)
Cause now they heard like that my friend. 

01:11:57 - Shaun (Guest)
He's got a cardiac arrest and he's 24 and he was running. 

01:11:59 - Stacey (Host)
So now they're like they apply that to you yeah. 

01:12:02 - Shaun (Guest)
So it's like oh, you're in there. It was like, but you're doing this to yourself Like your dollars was out of control, so that I would say those days were the hardest, with all those different things. 

01:12:12 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, yeah, wow. Um, how did you feel after your first meal? Could you keep it down? 

01:12:18 - Shaun (Guest)
I felt amazing and yes. 

01:12:22 - Stacey (Host)
Um, then they asked how much weight you lost, but you said you never weighed yourself never weighed myself, if you were going to guess 10 pounds, 20 pounds. 

01:12:29 - Shaun (Guest)
I would say like 15, 15 pounds but yeah, can we? 

01:12:32 - Mark (Host)
put that picture up of you when we yeah, you said you had. 

01:12:36 - Stacey (Host)
No, it's not on my oh, it's not oh it's a end game picture, you said, of how you looked. 

01:12:41 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, I have a picture of me after Cause. You look great right now, like you definitely look, you know you're fine. 

01:12:47 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, I have to like hug you and pinch you when you walked in. 

01:12:50 - Shaun (Guest)
I go. I've built a lot of it back. I haven't been working out just like from all my milk and honey I've started to build it back up. 

01:12:56 - Stacey (Host)
But, uh, um, do you know you probably don't know this because you didn't check before but do you have any other physical benefits like lower blood pressure, diabetic improvement, I mean? 

01:13:06 - Shaun (Guest)
sure I have every physical benefit that can ever exist, like my body was reborn, got rid of all the synthetic, artificial things, all the inflammation gone, all the any like corruption that was in my body just eradicated and cells restored. And I could feel that for sure. And the second I started to integrate back in. It was like now is downloading all the information from the food, um, that I was getting and it was the combo was like well, like very special. 

01:13:34 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, um, lawrence, and this. What mental state were you in? Were you ever hangry, that's? 

01:13:42 - Mark (Host)
a good question. 

01:13:43 - Stacey (Host)
Uh, cause you know how you get hangry, like most of the people do. 

01:13:45 - Shaun (Guest)
Well, it's never hungry, but there was definitely times where I was. I was more like I want to be alone, Like I just want to meditate or be free or like just like peace and like some other people come in and it wouldn't be like angry. I was very peaceful during the whole thing, but there was moments where I was like, okay, I'm just going to go over here and I'm going to meditate, Like I would just kind of escape myself. 

01:14:07 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, so whenever you felt like off, you'd just go meditate. 

01:14:12 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, Not not even necessarily off. It was just like I felt like almost like that was my hunger, Like it was like a hunger for like to go deep, go with it in a way. 

01:14:20 - Mark (Host)
Wow. 

01:14:21 - Shaun (Guest)
Like hunger, to meditate and do breath work, whatever it might be. 

01:14:26 - Stacey (Host)
Hungry. The last question I think I know this, but was your body craving food every day? 

01:14:31 - Mark (Host)
No, no, no. 

01:14:33 - Stacey (Host)
That's not. 

01:14:34 - Mark (Host)
So that's the thing like when we, when I approach a fast, it's all I have to be disciplined, it's got to be physical. How am I going to deal with the hunger? It's all going to come. None of that was a factor for you, because it was driven by this like a non physical, you know guiding force. So I hope you're inspired because I'm thinking about doing another fast now. 

01:14:55 - Stacey (Host)
I know it It'll never be anything like that. 

01:14:58 - Mark (Host)
But it's a different approach to fasting right, because every, even even all over social media, it's all about here's how to, here's how to get through the hunger stages. It's all physical and now it's. There's actually another way which you can be the passenger and you don't have to work so hard to have a successful fast. Because that's how I see it, that's why I don't do it all the time, because it's so hard In my head. It's hard. I don't want it. Do I want to go through that? Do I want to do it again? If you remove all of that by just saying no, I'm just being guided just being guided. 

01:15:29
It's another way to approach it and potentially be successful. 

01:15:32 - Shaun (Guest)
I know that way you say that the passenger, the passenger and the current. You're just floating in the river and the river is pulling you, so sometimes that river is moving fast, sometimes that river is moving slow, but no matter what, you're chilling in the, the leaves, the, the tube just going to enjoying the ride, looking out like whoa that's fantastic. 

01:15:50 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, wow so what else? 

01:15:52 - Shaun (Guest)
do you want to? 

01:15:52 - Stacey (Host)
say Anything, I don't have anything else to ask you like. I'm just glad you're alive and you're here. Step one, If you want if you think to do it again like, I'm happy for you, but I don't know that I will still not be scared. 

01:16:06 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, if I, if I was to do it again and once again it's not like do I want to or don't want to, it's more like if I had that same feeling to do it again in the future, I can't say I imagine I will not do it like, like nobody will know. Oh really, operating society, and just nobody will know, I'm just living with life. 

01:16:26 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah. Or it will be like I'm out for because I'm opening up to all of that feedback from like criticism and concern and just like living. 

01:16:37 - Shaun (Guest)
That was like one of the most, like even people who've done it in society, like monks or whatever. When they're doing it they're fully isolated, which I'm sure has its own challenges, but it also has its own like. It's like probably way I was not like easier or harder, but it's just like way different. There's other challenges that exist by doing it in modern society. 

01:16:56
Like I was fully in Saudi, like I'm building a tech company, I'm still like with family, friends or this or other. So you get all these other inputs. You get this constant temptation of people drinking, eating this or that, where, if I went off my own, I think it would be a different type of experience, because I'd be in that meditative state the whole time without any distractions. Now I do think those distractions, those temptations, built the strength in me. 

01:17:19
Yes, and resilience, yeah, resilience and more, just like the ability to not be tempted, because temptation is like this thing and I still now, like, some temptations are coming back, which is why I know I need to like. 

01:17:31
Okay, I need to ground myself again, like I need to come back, like I need to free myself from these temptations, because temptations are what deviate us off that current. They're that like Oasis in the desert or the flashy object that's like, oh, free will go this way, and then when we go out of that way, that's when the anxiety, stress and fear come into place, and fear, you know, that leads to inflammation and disease. So so, yeah, just like the, the the ability to like, not have temptations and like by day 40, I wasn't, I didn't bite my nails. I didn't have temptations like any sexual urges. I didn't have any, uh, any other temptations, it wasn't just food, like I was totally frightened, totally free from temptations, and in that I could totally be present in the moment. So it was a very special thing and, uh, that's what I was really grateful for by being in society, because there was just an infinite amount of temptations. 

01:18:21 - Stacey (Host)
So you can't, so you don't allow yourself to have any vices at all. Like you can't even have sex, we can't even like well, like you know none of that stuff. You want to be pure of mind. 

01:18:31 - Shaun (Guest)
It's more like when you go to the other side, like you go to this space of just like absolute bliss. It's like like you just bought a new far Ferrari. Why would I just put a dent in it, you know, why would I like pop the tire intentionally? And when you get to that point and you recognize like that those vices are just going to like hurt you, like, at the end, they're all the oasis, they're all these flashy. 

01:18:57
I was at the time, but they're not as fun, like when you're in this state and I still like there's. Now I'm like in this state where, a month or so in and I'm like I need to reground myself, like for a while I was like it was a flowing, but now I'm like I feel like I need to reground myself a little bit, but you know where temptations are coming in. But when you're like beyond, like you, you free yourself from all that like there's, it's not. That doesn't see you don't see that as fun. 

01:19:24 - Stacey (Host)
Can you see yourself with a partner? Like you know, you will get married one day. Like, what? 

01:19:28 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but that's just not, that would have to just sort of appear to you and yeah, it's not like same deal with the fast, like, well, I do another 40 day fast. It's like we'll say like it's like, it's not that I want to, it's not I don't want to. Same thing with marriage or kids. 

01:19:46 - Stacey (Host)
It's like we'll say if that's like the, because you have your goals in mind and family and marriage and stuff like that aren't part of that. 

01:19:55 - Shaun (Guest)
Well, I have one, I guess, goal. You could say it's just to bring harmony to this world, and so they could be a part of that. Um, they could be a pivotal part of that, right Cause, in order to bring harmony to the world, I need to bring harmony to myself, yeah, and I need to bring harmony to my individual tribe, which is why I'm home, like to try to you know my brother's having a kid, my other brother was in the hospital. 

01:20:13
Like bring harmony to my collected the collective and then you can bring harmony to the world. So like remove the beam in your own eye and then remove the splinter in your neighbor's eye, type thing. So we'll say I, I. Just it's like we'll say what will be will be, yeah, we'll be, will be, yeah. Well, I'm proud of you. 

01:20:33 - Stacey (Host)
You know not that you need my pride and I'm sure you're proud of yourself, but I'm amazed by you, you know and amazed. 

01:20:39 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, absolutely, that's been great. Thank you, yeah, thanks, for giving us like, for sharing that whole story, that whole journey. It's been incredible. Yeah, yeah, that was fun. 

01:20:46 - Shaun (Guest)
I appreciate it. Round two We'll see what's round three, round threes of the, the. What's round three going to be? Yeah? 

01:20:53 - Mark (Host)
When you change the culture? Yeah, when you change the culture, will you come back? You have to remember us when you change the culture and everybody wants to tell you a little people, yeah, yeah remember us when you change the world. 

01:21:01 - Shaun (Guest)
Yeah, Absolutely, thank you. Thank you for asking the question. Let's go eat Just kidding. 

01:21:09 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, yeah. 

01:21:15 - Stacey (Host)
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