00:00 - Mark (Host)
that I don't even know what word to put to that. That was so much fun and I know we've said that so many times, but this episode blows, I think, every other episode away on the fun meter you think so. I do, yeah, yeah, I enjoyed that conversation immensely.
00:15 - Stacey (Host)
Oh, it was a beautiful woman. Well, there's that talking about legal sex prostitution and just her attitude.
00:25 - Mark (Host)
Yeah.
00:26 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, crazy.
00:27 - Mark (Host)
I mean so positive, so energetic. We peel back the curtain on what it's like to be a legal prostitute. With the number one, she's been called the most famous prostitute in the history of the world.
00:39 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, I believe her too.
00:40 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, I mean she was on. You can see in the intro. She was on Cat House, the series on HBO. She's a top earner, Like all this stuff at all the all the ranches out in Nevada Air Force, amy, air Force, amy, air Force, amy. So much fun in this episode.
00:56 - Stacey (Host)
You know, what I loved is that she named herself.
00:58 - Mark (Host)
Oh, my God.
00:59 - Stacey (Host)
After her sister.
01:00 - Mark (Host)
Yeah.
01:00 - Stacey (Host)
And then got disowned by her family. You got to hear that the whole background story of her and her family, her family and what age is she?
01:09 - Mark (Host)
I don't want to give it away how old she was when she actually just left and jumped in a trucker's truck Very young.
01:15 - Stacey (Host)
Very, very young.
01:16 - Mark (Host)
There's so much here. You're going to love it. You're going to love it. It's one of those. You just cannot stop listening to her.
01:21 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, she's fantastic, she was great.
01:22 - Mark (Host)
I really love her, love her to death and I'm going to get pictures.
01:25 - Stacey (Host)
So watch YouTube, because I'm going to get some pictures of her in her Air Force. She was actually in the Air Force, by the way, yeah.
01:32 - Mark (Host)
She served our country honorably, anti- terrorism. The whole thing, yeah, and then she changed careers. That's pretty amazing, but she loves people.
01:40 - Stacey (Host)
That's the thing it's like. She gets so much hate. She's got her profile taken down from Instagram. People say mean things about her all the time, and she still loves people.
01:49 - Mark (Host)
I heard her say in a different episode not ours, but a different interview that she just wants to help and she likes building people up and that vibe comes through 100% From the moment she starts talking.
02:01 - Stacey (Host)
You know she's got a wonderful heart of gold think about the people she serves, like you know, maybe men who can't have women in their lives, and she helps them it's all about connection.
02:10 - Mark (Host)
That's what? Yeah, it's all about connection I loved her.
02:12 - Stacey (Host)
You guys have to see this and listen to this one, please so enjoy, I'm sure you will.
02:18 - Mark (Host)
I don't even need to say that. Enjoy today's episode with air force am.
02:24 - Stacey (Host)
Hi, I'm Stacey.
02:25 - Mark (Host)
And I am Mark, and this is the Gurus at Game Changers podcast. Welcome everybody. This is going to be a fun episode. Today's guest is a highly decorated veteran of the United States Air Force. She's an anti-terrorism expert. She was an air-based ground defense instructor. She would take out a squadron of 44 or 40 soldiers and teach them, for instance, how to defend a runway when she was serving. And when she served she served with pride, just like her father before her, and for her service she got a meritorious service medal. But that is not likely how you know her, because she became a household name for a different kind of service.
03:05
She was named our guest was named one of the top 25 most famous prostitutes in all the world, in all time, from throughout history. That's who we're talking to today. Our guest is Air Force Amy. She is the star of HBO's Cat House the series, if you remember that, and she has been an all-time top earner at the world-famous Nevada brothels, like the Bunny Ranch, the Chicken Ranch and the Mustang Ranch. In fact, MSNBC at one point called her a living legend in the world of sex. But along the way she has, in her words, changed this game, changed her profession from one of guilt and shame to power and fame. And that changed the game, Don't you like that?
03:48 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Wow, that changed the game and that's what we're here for.
03:50 - Mark (Host)
It makes her a perfect guest for us here at Gurus and Game Changers and on top of it, she's super cool, super sweetheart of a person, super fun to talk to and, from what I hear, she even played a very elegant Mrs Claus for her community during the holidays. Mrs Claus for her community during the holidays.
04:07 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
So, air Force Amy, welcome to the show and thank you for your service, thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm really honored to be here. Thank you, we are so so excited to have you.
04:14 - Stacey (Host)
Okay, so just getting right into it. So I read that at age 13, you left home. Why did that happen? Why did you feel like the need to leave home at that young of an age?
04:26 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Well, it was a pretty dysfunctional family, so there was alcoholism, incest, all kinds of things and there was just this double standard. My brothers could get away with smoking and things like that and raping me. I couldn't smoke a cigarette and I didn't like that. I thought that was really, you know, and I just I just said I gotta get out of here. I just left. Things were kind of crashing down on me.
04:54
I mean I started to get down from school. You know so I was doing, you know skipping school and my grades were falling and I just, I mean it was going to come to a head.
05:10
And I was like I got a head and I was like I gotta split this bill. Man, I gotta go. Where did you go? Yeah, where would you go at 13? I um hitchhiked around the country, wow, oh yeah, I just got in a big I don't know what. I can't tell you today what made me think to get into a big wheeler or an 18 wheeler, as opposed to, you know, hitchhiking in cars like that would have been okay, like maybe in the 60s yeah but this is the 80s, you know so, and I felt really safe.
05:28
I was like in this underground community of truckers, you know can I ask you a quick question?
05:31 - Mark (Host)
I was confused by this, so I want to make sure I understood. You were shamed and blamed when that happened to you. Yeah, shamed and blamed, and you're out with the bathwater man and so you had no choice but to leave, because nobody came to your aid.
05:48 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
It's never going to get any better. Wow, I'm sorry, I went through that it's okay, because you know, what Everything that has happened to me has elevated me. Yeah, you know, it put me on a different. I couldn't imagine having to stay home with those people. The rest of my, you know yeah.
06:06 - Stacey (Host)
But when you were 13, like did you? Did you say to yourself okay, like I'm going to get out of here, like what? Like how did you even know to leave? Like, some kids are just so entrenched in their families.
06:14 - Mark (Host)
I mean it's a really brave, scary thing to do.
06:19 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Get the shit beat out of there. Yeah, I don't want to get beat again. You're going to fucking leave, got it? I was going to go to Studio 54.
06:27 - Mark (Host)
That's where you were headed.
06:29 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
That's where I was headed. I took my mom. Yes, I love it, it's a little bag. It rode right, oh my God.
06:38 - Mark (Host)
Not exactly a safe place for a 13-year-old.
06:41 - Stacey (Host)
No, the first trucker you went up to. Were you scared, like? Or did you just say I want to jump in your cab and you're totally fine with it?
06:47 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
I guess I'm just, yeah, well, you know what. And that night, okay, my dad has spoiled. Well, here's what happened. I left with my girlfriend um, I forget her name, but we both left and, um, we're on this freeway and there's these snow banks and and something. The cop was going by and we ran to the other side of the freeway and the cop comes back this time. They finally got us and corralled us and they're like where are you going? I'm like back to college, kent State University, at 13. They're like really, what dormitory are you staying at? I said my brother's dormitory, oh, such and such. And they're like that's an all male dormitory.
07:29
Get the car, dang it, take us to jail. Don't call my dad. Oh, my god, okay, and my dad comes down. I'm just like just keep me, his man's gonna fucking kill me. Just keep me in the jail. And they sent me home with him. He just he wailed on me. He had like these suede gloves and me home with him. He just he wailed on me, man, he had like these suede gloves and cement porch. This is what you want. This is what's gonna happen. You know, it's just the night back after that, and it was during that time of, during the trucker strike and and smoking in a bandit.
08:03
You know it was like convoy, yeah trucks a you know 100 trucks rolling down the road. It was kind of really cool. It was like it's a subculture and I was kind of safe there working the truck stops now, because I wanted to have my own money in my own pocket and be able to say, you know, pick which truck I was going to get into the biggest, prettiest truck, coolest guy. So I can really, like I can, I have an intuition where I can, I can, you know, size up a situation instantaneously. You know, because of that kind of um the past I had but um, yeah, so work in the truck stops, that was a different story. You're moving in on another girl's territory and it's just. It was the most frightening experience of my life, I mean what do you mean?
08:41
at night in these truck stops and you know just, you don't know if you're going to get jumped by the other girls working there and there'd be these stories about you know, girls getting gapped and hung in reefers or freezers and it was just a frightening thing. I would do my entire life Some of these places. They had helicopters, you know, circling the truck stop looking for bad guys and you always had the security trying to get you in. And I was. You know I was underage. I would have been sent to Juby.
09:08 - Mark (Host)
Yeah.
09:10 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
So it was just absolutely just frightening for you know several years. But it was also very freeing too. It was very. I mean, I remember sitting on the dash, between, you know, the driver's seat and my seat, making sandwiches and listening to the radio and just cruising down the road. Man, it was really, it was great.
09:28 - Mark (Host)
That can harden should will harden anybody from the age of 13 to 18, I think you were Joining the service should harden you, right. That's what part of the mantra I guess of the service is to make you a warrior. Those two experiences, or any other, has one really kind of defined how you've moved forward in your career? Has one given you more strength than the other?
09:53 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
um, I would say the military yeah because it, um, it showed me how to work in a business environment, going on my chain of command, and how to deal with people and how to relate at all levels. That's what that taught me. Or maybe just even just getting out there on my own at 13 and just jumping in the truck, you know, and, and putting myself out there helped me relate at all levels. And, um, just coming from a dysfunctional family and being judged and thrown out with the backwater gave me compassion for other people. That was called me, that was just, I was called names and just, you know, just abused and and I don't. I know how it feels. And so to be the underdog, to be the person that, not the I was never the prettiest girl in line up. I'm um, a champion for the underdog because I just was.
10:51 - Stacey (Host)
I felt like I was always the underdog I just want to sorry, I just you've talked about your dad, but what about your mother? Like, what did your, did your mom say? Were you gonna ask the same thing?
11:01 - Mark (Host)
no, it's a good question like what did she say?
11:04 - Stacey (Host)
like you know, I can't imagine my baby to this day.
11:08 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
She's just like you. Kids were bad, all of you. You have five kids. My dad was a you know an alcoholic, a blanderer, and you know it's just her life was. It was just you know pretty, but I'd you know five years in a piece of shit, husband, she's just you. Kiss her back.
11:29 - Mark (Host)
Just surviving and thriving.
11:31 - Stacey (Host)
Made me the most self-sufficient person, so that's when you made the decision that you wanted to do prostitution at that point, or like what was there? A cognitive decision like this is what I'm going to do, or to just sort of happen.
11:42 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
I think they call that survival prostitution Right.
11:45 - Mark (Host)
You need to eat.
11:46 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
But here I am going across Highway 80, interstate 80. And you hear these girls on the CB calling out hey, mister, you know. And the drivers were telling me, yeah, most beautiful women, it's a palace of like 50 with the most beautiful women you ever saw in your life that work as prostitutes. I'm like indoors. I want to go there.
12:11
I want to go there, yeah Right. So that was the Mustang Rage that I heard him catcalling from and it was always in the back of my mind. But I joined the military, right, I joined the military, I got my ged and I joined the military and I got stationed at nullis air force base in las vegas and I asked for a real investment bonus or to cross train me, and that was like they had to do that. But they wouldn't cross train because I was too highly trained and they wouldn't give me real estate. I'm fine, I'm going down to the brothels, because otherwise I'm going to be carrying a gun for a living. I mean, with my training that I had, I could either be a cop or prison guard or you know, and I wanted to wear pretty clothes. I had all these clothes made for me in the Philippines to come to Las Vegas and I was just like. I wanted the shoes and the clothes and the glamour, and it's fine, I'll go down to the chicken ranch.
13:00 - Stacey (Host)
So you were in the Air Force and you said to them like hey, I want to be cross-trained, I want to do this, I want to do that, I don't want to end up wearing like a military uniform. And they said, no, sorry, you can't be. And then that's when you were like I'm out Watch.
13:13 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Ultimatum got me into the Air Force and Ultimatum got me into me and my Ultimatums right. I'm careful not to make any Ultimatums, but I mean both of them were really good Ultimatums, the decisions that happened. I'm just super, super, super pleased with how my life turned out. Yeah.
13:33 - Mark (Host)
How does one get into one of these brothels? I'm sure there's a significant amount of competition right? A lot of people want to have that type of lifestyle.
13:41 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
You just apply. They all have the websites, have a link that you know there's like be a buddy or join our team. You know, you just fill out the form and send pictures and interview.
13:56 - Stacey (Host)
I think I read that you were 23 when you went to the chicken ranch. Is that true? You were 23? And then so, like, do you remember your first day? Like, what was that like? And was that the time when you said okay, I'm Air Force Amy, I'm not Deanne? Like when did you?
14:08 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
make that name switch. No, they gave me the name Susie.
14:12 - Mark (Host)
Oh, interesting. Susie you probably didn't like that right I, I didn't you know whatever okay, it was just.
14:24 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
It was a lot of um, conditioning and compliancy. You had to comply to all these rules. There was a massive amount of rules you know, and it was keep you from stealing and to keep you from getting you know causing hay between the other girls and to keep you from getting you know causing hay between the other girls and to keep you from making yourself stand out too much. And it was just a lot of rules is what I remember. Bouncing off the walls with rules constantly, you know, and to get with the client was finally like respite you know place you're working for, the people working with is just like it's just. You're bouncing off the walls but you get to spend an hour with the client and that's like wow, I can relax and have a good time. They got their money. We're cool.
15:05 - Mark (Host)
It's just this last I mean that's what you're there for right, so don't deal with the politics and all the management and all that.
15:13 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
You want to do your job, but then even the first year, though it was a lot. Of you want me to do what?
15:21 - Stacey (Host)
And you're not talking about like what with your clients, you're talking about just no, with the clients too as well.
15:27 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Oh, they wanted you to do weird stuff. You kind of get hazed. When you're brand new, you get hazed. You get these guys, let me just kiss, here you go.
15:44 - Mark (Host)
From an outsider's perspective, everybody would think that men would go there with the kinkiest of requests or the craziest things could happen in there, but at an elevated level because it is a professional environment, right. But I remember you saying on somewhere that I learned to research that everyone who walks in that door just really just wants somebody to be nice to them. Yeah, talk about that, that side of it it because it's not necessarily just a rolling hay or whatever it's not just let's get down and dirty.
16:02 - Stacey (Host)
It's I want to I want someone to connect with. Yeah, there's more to it yeah, it used to be.
16:07 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
I mean to me in my mindset it was like um well, when I worked at the mustang ranch was 50 girls and then 500 people walked through that door a day and you can be doing, you know, $20, $100 parties you know, and yeah, there's an art to that. Yeah.
16:23 - Mark (Host)
I'll bet.
16:25 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
So you didn't have a lot of time to connect and as the industry progressed and matured, as I matured, then it became more of an experience than as a roll in the hay and a connection. You know, at first we weren't allowed to have anybody's uh information and not stay in contact with them. And now it's more like I'm an insurance agent and I do keep in contact with people and I and I'm, you know, massage and molding and stay in contact with my clients. My mantra is you know what it's sales, it's all sales. Yeah, all anyone really really, really wants is, um, a good deal and someone to be nice to them, no matter what you're selling, right, so just be nice, you know, and and it just it drives me up a wall that you see on social media where people just can't be nice.
17:11
What's so hard about that? You know, you could be the only smile that person sees in in a week or in a month, in a year. You're the only person that's kind to this person their entire life. You know they don't, it's just, it's a, it's a. It's a cold, hard world out there. Sometimes, yeah, and especially for and especially for men, that, um, you know, women just seem so unattainable and they want such high standards. After meeting me, I want you to walk away, you know, on air, I want you to just be like that. I feel really good about myself because I met that person. I'm happy with the guys that I see. You know I develop little relationships and maybe it's an hour or maybe just, you know, an overnight every couple years or once a year, yeah, but and a lot of time. I'm just a um, a springboard for a most gentle. Have you had?
18:08 - Stacey (Host)
long-term relationships like have you ever had a boyfriend for a while? And what does he? What would he think of what? What you're doing is?
18:15 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
you have to be cool with it well, I never thought that I could because you know I just never did for like 30 years. But during quarantine I thought, you know the governor had a shutdown for 14 months and I went on civic matchcom at month eight or nine and I met someone and I felt madly, madly, madly in love, like all my madly, madly in love, like, oh, love songs make sense. You know all that and it just was the wrong guy.
18:43 - Mark (Host)
It was the wrong guy. You fell in love with the wrong guy.
18:45 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Shoot. Pretty common right, but I know it's possible. So now I'm like, oh my God, that felt so good and honestly I thought that I was selling the best sex on the planet until I had in love sex.
18:58 - Stacey (Host)
Oh right, it means something different, right.
19:01 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
So now I got that for sale too. That for sale, that's hilarious.
19:07 - Mark (Host)
I love it. Hey, do you feel like? Do you feel like I guess, prior to falling in love, maybe you felt like you were missing out on that, that experience of falling in love, right? Do you feel like you missed out on anything else by choosing this path?
19:21 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Oh, absolutely. I mean I didn't have children. I disconnected with my family, I'm estranged from my family, but I mean I don't feel that bad about not being connected with my family. Yeah, sure, but I mean before I reconnected with my family, maybe eight or nine years ago, due to moving a brother with stage four cancer, and I really thought I was missing that family connection, there was a hope. I had a big hole, and a big hole that there was no family. I had no one that really, really really had my back. I was alone in the world, which really just me against the world man. And then I connected with my family and I was like, oh, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr, I'm not Mr. And that's my family, that's my church, yeah, and you know, and I'm fulfilled, I'm really 100% fulfilled and grateful.
20:28 - Mark (Host)
I was gonna ask you about your dad probably being very proud of you for serving Right. But what? How did he feel about your decision to hate me, hated me, what Even?
20:40 - Stacey (Host)
way back Even way back.
20:42 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
I think I was kind of okay with the family, kind of okay, except when I joined the military, right, I was like, okay, conform to society, you know. And then after that, you know, here's the thing All right. And then after that, you know, here's the thing All right. When you choose a name as a stage name, in my case, I choose someone that I want to be like Okay. So my dad was always like Amy's this and Amy's so that, and my sister, right, so I'm going to be like Amy. So when I took Amy's name, they fucking I mean, he blew a fuse man. It was like forever, ever, you know, never, never got forgiven for that that was your sister's name.
21:26 - Stacey (Host)
You did it for a lovely reason.
21:28 - Mark (Host)
You did it because you wanted to be like her.
21:31 - Stacey (Host)
I love the way that you look at life. I really do like. I think you just have this, really like at least it seems to me a positive way of looking at things. Like when you were young and sex was involved, how did you look at? Like, did you just have a different way of looking at sex? Like no big deal, I'm just going to make money? Like how do you think your view of sex is different than maybe some other people?
21:54 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Well, um, anyone that's been molested or abused or sexually abused or treated the wrong way sexually. I think what I've read is that you lose the sanctity of it. Okay, so the sanctity is gone, and I think America is just way too hung up on it. Man, come on. Okay, it's a natural thing, it it feels good, it doesn't hurt anybody, you don't give me a break. Who made this up? That it's a bad thing? You know, we know, we know we did that, okay, and it's just. You know, it's just so untrue to put such a bad light on such a beautiful thing. It's just natural bliss and love. And I mean, if you're not doing it to intentionally or, you know, hurt somebody or take advantage of somebody, what's wrong with it, man? What's wrong with it? You know, and that's not how I grew up.
22:58 - Mark (Host)
I grew up in a good catholic family yeah, I was going to ask you next, yeah the guilt and shame of getting caught with brother.
23:05 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
I was thrown out with the bath water immediately at like the age of eight. So here's the game changer. The label turned into being you know, I have a mark in history. Yeah, you do, you know I got.
23:15
I got a mark in the history books and, and I'm going to tell that story too I got, I've got, you know, I got I got a mark in the history books and I'm going to tell that story too. I got, I've got you know. I'm talking to some um some uh, I don't know movie houses or network yeah network about a lot of stuff that I know and I can't wait expose.
23:33 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, it's gonna be so good. Wait, it's going to be so good.
23:40 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Everyone's like I'm waiting for it, my life's work, a drama series, yeah.
23:45 - Stacey (Host)
So tell me like one story that you remember, that maybe you can tell our audience.
23:49 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
So I'm working at this, this place called the cherry pad, and the guy was just evil and it was just the worst place on earth to ever work. So this guy comes in and we know that we can't say no, he's got at least 80. This is 33 years ago and, um, because when we, when we go out and we do this lineup, the girls line up and we introduce ourselves and then he shoots his lady and we're standing there. I could smell the guy from the couch again. I told the next missus shakes me, you know, you give him a look like don't pick me, all right, he picks me.
24:22
I take him back to my room. It's just awful. I mean, he calls outside my room and takes a shower and he had a minimum, of course, eighty dollars. Like oh my god, I don't want to spend more than you know, seven, eight minutes with this guy. But ten minutes later, nothing's happening, nothing's happening, nothing's happening. He says would you like me to go out to my truck and get my, get my? And it's something. I didn't understand what it was, he said. I said, by all means go get what. Every? He goes back in with this, this, this blow-up pool toy, a dinosaur, the, and the little dinosaur head is yellow and it's a wraparound toy and I'm like this fucking pool toy.
25:05 - Mark (Host)
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25:18 - Stacey (Host)
Please, and back to the show.
25:21 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
And he says well, I'm a long distance truck driver and I used to use latex dolls, but they got too big and cumbersome, too long to blow up, so I just used the pull toy.
25:31 - Stacey (Host)
Now so I mean everything it's all fucking makes sense, right but see that attitude that you have, like where you're just like whatever you know, like unapologetically, where does that come from? Carefree because there's so many people who are so uptight like. What's your advice for those people?
25:45 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
understand why people are so uptight. I don't get it. I don't, don't, don't, don't get it. Where do you come from? Where, where does this come from? Is it your, your religion, your spirituality, your upbringing who taught you to be like this, so judgmental, and especially girls on social media? Where did you come up with that? How could you even think of saying something so cruel to somebody?
26:08 - Mark (Host)
else.
26:10 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
It's just people are people. People are people. They're like cats. Cats are going to do anything they want, whenever they want. You can entice them with a treat, you know, maybe get them, but they're still going to do whatever they want. People are like cats they're going to do whatever they want and you still got to love them.
26:28 - Mark (Host)
Right.
26:29 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
And don't try to love them Right and don't try to fight it.
26:31 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, love that.
26:32 - Mark (Host)
I heard you say at some point, I think you said like I don't get picked out of the lineup that often, but I don't need to.
26:39 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
No, right, I don't. I wish I could say I don't need to, but I don't get picked out out. I used to give it when I was younger. Oh, yeah, I got you know. And and what it is is, um, I got. I have a fixation with the mirror. I used to have one place that, um, we lined up in front of a mirror and when I can see myself pose, yeah, then I'm getting picked. But if I can't see myself that, I still do that with photo shoots today. I keep a mirror, I take a mirror on interesting, I'm just too self-conscious. But if I see that pose and I got it, bam, you got, you know. But um, yeah, I don't get picked out of the lineup, I'm more like filler but you have a really high like repeat customer rate, right?
27:19
yeah, I have retention yeah, you know what, if, if they allow me, um, I'm a friend for life. Yeah, you know, sometimes I get paid to go away, you know? Oh interesting, what does that?
27:28 - Stacey (Host)
mean. What do you mean as much, sometimes I get paid to go away. Oh interesting, what does that mean? What do you mean?
27:31 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
As much as we get paid to stay, we get paid to go away. So if a gentleman just wants to have, just try one thing one time, one time thing, and you love them to death and you'd love to see them again and again, and again, but you know what that's it One and done. You have to respect that. You know that's it, one and done.
27:50 - Stacey (Host)
you know I got paid to go away, get it are the other girls in the lineup really competitive, like do they do?
27:58 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
one big family are you one big family. I can't read their minds. I can feel it sometimes you feel the daggers in your back when you get picked seriously about these lineups. Yeah, it has to be so weird. I can't imagine like you feel the daggers in your back when you get picked. Yeah, it has to be so weird.
28:11 - Stacey (Host)
I can't imagine like standing there just waiting to see if someone's going to rate me the best of all the rest of the girls. How do you get your brain to like just be, like it's cool, like I'm just gonna you know, if I don't get picked, I don't get picked. Is that just your personal?
28:26 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
me. I'm just like. I know I'm not going to get picked, but I have still. I still have to be like, still believe, because if you don't believe, it's not going to happen, you know, if you, if you, if you want to make a million dollars, you know, if you believe you will, you will. If you believe you won't, you won't. So I gotta believe. So I thought there was the same attitude every time. I'm going to get kicked Right, you know, and a lot of times I do get choosy, so if I'm not really turning it on, it's like psh wasn't going to do that.
28:58 - Stacey (Host)
You know, Is there another part of that Like?
29:04 - Mark (Host)
do you?
29:05 - Stacey (Host)
help mentor the younger girls. Like is there a part of you that like says, okay, don't do that?
29:09 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Like don't do that, like, don't wear that, like, don't put your hair on, not like that, not like that. No, never, never, never would I say that. Um, it's a, it's, you know, because it's whatever you believe, that you look fabulous in, you feel fabulous and you are right. No, it's all confidence, it's all confidence, it's all you know. And it's eye connection. When I tell girls, brand new girls, about the lineup, that's you know you stand, because we're not allowed to draw attention to ourselves, we have to kind of just be. You know. I say, give the guy the look that you would in first grade. When you were, you were really hot on somebody when you were, you were keen on someone in first grade. What was that look?
29:50
you know, yeah, that's the look you give them, like yeah, yeah, that's good advice I'm sure that worked what is a common?
29:59 - Mark (Host)
misconception that people have of you or your profession or that industry.
30:04 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Just they have no idea that they got it so wrong again that, um, that we're out to get people that were tricksters, that we. You know, I think prostitutes, whether legal or not, are put on the same level and given the same respect as a drug dealer. You know, I feel that throughout my whole life, when I'm trying to do business with people and and you know that's right there, it's right there in the forefront, she's prostitute. It's like okay to fuck me over, because I fuck people over, because I'm a prostitute, and it couldn't be further from the truth. It couldn't be further from the truth. These women, you know, you got something in your heart, you got to have something in your heart. You can't do it callously, you just can't. You won't last. It's because she's got some pimp riding her in the background telling her to do it that way. Women aren't that way. You know, we're nurturers and we care about people and that's all there is to it.
31:03 - Mark (Host)
I heard you say on a different show that you provide a service unlike any other.
31:17 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
And I'm sure you're referring to physical as well. Well, but you're referring to so much more than that. Yeah, you know, we build confidence. We um lament, we um grieve, teach, comfort, support, encourage all these things. Otherwise, I mean, you're not going to last. Who's going to come see you? Word of mouth is your best advertising. You know, if a guy has a good experience, if somebody has a good experience, they're going to tell one or two people. If they have a bad experience, they're going to tell 20. Right, you know, it's just not going to last.
31:46 - Stacey (Host)
If you're giving bad experiences, sure, and also it's just not going to last if you're giving bad experiences. Sure, and also it's legit business. I mean, I listened to your podcast with Bunny and I was amazed how stringent the parameters are for you guys Like to be licensed. You can have no felonies, no charges. Tested weekly for five STDs, plus chlamydia once a month, blood drawn for syphilis and AIDS. It's like safer going to the bunny ranch than going to a bar.
32:12 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
It is safer to go to any brothel than it is to go to any bar or to see anybody. Period. I mean, we're tested. You just named off all those tests and yeah, and even so much, at the chicken ranch we don't leave property so that we're not going home and having sex with our boyfriends or anybody else or off the.
32:32 - Stacey (Host)
You know that it's even that much more stringent I listen to that and I'm like, wow, I mean like people going to bars, these days it's dangerous what, what would you? Say to the haters like what, if you could like talk to them? Like what would you tell them?
32:46 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
why are you hating man? Have you ever met me? What am I doing to you? You know, and this started way back with cat house, where people annihilate me. They just it was I mean, they shredded me and and I got to the point and I was um using it at the time and I thought, you know what? How about I just kill myself? That's what you want. Is that what you want? You just want me to kill myself? Would that make you happy, you know? But thank God, I was like, yeah, after I finish this, you know, after I finish that, I'm going to do it. So, cat.
33:22 - Stacey (Host)
House. That was the HBO series, right yeah.
33:30 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
What? The HBO series? Right yeah, what was that like? I thought they would really see the real picture and it didn't turn out that way.
33:32 - Mark (Host)
They just wanted the money, or did they see the picture and just decide to present something different?
33:35 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Ignored it. Yeah, ignored it and went for the money.
33:39 - Mark (Host)
Yeah.
33:39 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Wow. So I thought that they were just really infringing on me and my space and not doing us any kind of service, coming in here and making money off our backs, that somebody is already making money and not paying us.
33:53 - Stacey (Host)
You didn't get paid for that.
33:56 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Well no, and the guys that they had come in got paid, got drinks, got laid how many of those do you think I'm doing? I was like zero, big zero. I'll tell you when I have a guy that is willing to be on camera, he'll give me something. So everything you see from me is real. I'm like I'll tell you when I got something and don't bug me until I do and just be ready. It's for everything you see.
34:24 - Stacey (Host)
So that doesn't sound like it was a good experience.
34:27 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Yeah, and then you get to where, if you didn't want to be on camera, you get sent home.
34:32 - Mark (Host)
Wow. Well because the brothel was making money right.
34:35 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
You know what we got put in the living room of America.
34:39 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, for sure.
34:41 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
You know what they saw was real or not. It softened the blow and made us approachable.
34:51 - Stacey (Host)
Exactly, I feel like I know you from that show. I know that wasn't you really, but I mean like I thought that show, you know, showed such a different side in a good, in a positive way, yeah of your profession you know how these days they have all the online stuff which I'm sure during COVID you probably had to like rely on some of that, but like the only fans pages and the you know foot fet, it seems to be more and more prevalent. What's your thoughts on that stuff?
35:15 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
I like the fact that it took it put the porn industry into the hands of the women that are doing the talent. Okay, but but I don't know when are you working now? I'm at the Chicken Ranch.
35:27
You're at the Chicken Ranch I just did my first tour um a week ago, my first two weeks. It was amazing. You love it. It was amazing why there's no bar hustle. There's no parlor hustle. There's not 12 girls sharking on one guy and hating the girl that got them. There's no. You don't have to see anybody, you don't know what anyone else is booking. There's no competition. It's a sisterhood. I mean, I book every single day. My emails don't ghost me. They give me deposits, I get appointments. It's the easiest thing I've ever done in my life. I can't believe I worked so hard, so so hard, on a hamster wheel for 24 years where it could have been just this easy all along. But you know, everything happens for a reason and I walked away. I booked six digits in two weeks. Wow, almost six digits in one party. Six digits, almost in one party.
36:29 - Stacey (Host)
Six digits.
36:31 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Almost in one party, you know. So if that's not a sign because God knows how to talk to me through money, that's incredible I will listen. But yeah, I couldn't be happier man. I extended my dates, I have more dates, I'm going on. I did a photo shoot back in and it was just. You know, this first place I ever worked in is just coming full circle and being in Las Vegas and feeling loved and appreciated and and a sister instead of a target for attack.
37:05 - Stacey (Host)
You know, that's huge, that is so huge.
37:08 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
I'm happy for you. Do you think you'll?
37:09
ever retire, I think you'll ever hang up your panties hang up the hooker heels. I'm already in flat, so they allow me to wear flats, right, if I want to. But, um, I don't know, it's still very lucrative. I'm mean extremely lucrative. Yeah, why give it up? I'm still challenged and valued and having fun, and man driving away from that place a couple days last week knowing what I did, yeah, and the friends I made while there. The clients that I saw that want to continue to be friends. Amazing, amazing people, just amazing people. The girls have great stories, the guys have great stories and it's just, it's just so fulfilling. It is so fulfilling to do something. You know, the best thing that a former drug addict, alcoholic can do is get out of themselves and into others, and there's not a better way to do that than this. Besides, you know some other things that I do on in the community, but get out of yourself and into others. The best job you could ever have and plus sex, is still love oh, there it is, I love you.
38:27 - Stacey (Host)
Is there anything you want to put out there?
38:29 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Let's just promote anti-bully on the internet.
38:33 - Mark (Host)
Yes please. There you go.
38:35 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Let's do that. Let's just say you know why don't you take a day and be say something kind? If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all.
38:41 - Mark (Host)
Okay, come on, man, I love that you're the first person to answer that question with sort of a general call for people to be nice giving to others.
38:50 - Stacey (Host)
Let's promote some goodness. It says so much about you. Yeah, really, dan, like that's just beautiful and there's your cat.
38:59 - Mark (Host)
So this has been awesome. Thank you so much for joining us. This has been enlightening. It's a cool look behind the curtain and with a cool person. Of course, I said that in the intro, so thank you so much for spending the time with us.
39:10 - Stacey (Host)
Just want to hang out with you.
39:11 - Mark (Host)
You're awesome.
39:13 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
If they wanted to do something like go to my only fans, you know you're a pleasure.
39:19 - Stacey (Host)
I enjoyed this so much yeah.
39:21 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, all right, thank you so much and thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys so much.
39:24 - Air Force Amy (Guest)
Thank you Check me out at chickenheadscom. Thank you guys so much. Check me out at chickenheadscom.
39:32 - Stacey (Host)
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