Can You Really Fake it 'Till You Make it? | Updated Rerun !

🔁 RERUN ALERT:  Discover the surprising key to inspiring leadership with Ed Doherty, reformed "a$$hole" chef turned leadership guru. In this eye-opening episode:

 - Learn how embracing vulnerability transforms toxic bosses into respected leaders
 - Uncover the unexpected link between recovery principles and effective management
 - Explore how authenticity builds unshakeable team loyalty
 - Get actionable tips to create a high-performing, happy workplace

From high-pressure kitchens to enlightened leadership, Ed's journey reveals the power of self-awareness in business. Plus, hear how Saxby's CEO Nick Bayer aligned values with explosive growth.

Boss and work better starting today. Your team (and bottom line) will thank you.

➡️ Chapters
(00:02) - Ed Doherty
(11:02) - Chef’s Journey to Sobriety and Success
(23:52) - Developing Enlightened Leadership Skills
(38:12) - Finding Purpose and Mastery at Work
(48:59) - Exploring Leadership, Hospitality, and Self-Discovery
(53:48) - Building Happy High Performing Workplaces

➡️ Highlights
(02:25 - 03:11) Evolution of the Chef Culture (46 Seconds)
(06:23 - 06:55) Relationship With Program Sponsor and Anonymity (32 Seconds)
(10:21 - 12:00) Finding Purpose and Optimism (99 Seconds)
(14:05 - 15:03) Unforgettable Chef (58 Seconds)
(16:54 - 17:11) Fake It Till You Make It (17 Seconds)
(19:47 - 21:01) Unconventional Career Path Discovery (74 Seconds)
(23:13 - 25:10) Engagement and Purpose in the Workplace (117 Seconds)
(31:02 - 31:53) Connect Vision, Values, and Leadership Training (51 Seconds)
(45:25 - 46:36) Three Keys to Workplace Happiness (72 Seconds)
(48:30 - 49:46) Book and Business Discussion (76 Seconds)

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Transcript

00:02 - Stacey (Host)
I love Ed Doherty. 

00:03 - Mark (Host)
He's a great guy. 

00:04 - Stacey (Host)
Oh my God, this podcast is so fantastic. Like he made me cry again when, I watched it again. He's just so authentic. He's super self-deprecating, vulnerable, like all the things. 

00:17 - Mark (Host)
He shared so much in the way of introspection, right, like he called himself an asshole. 

00:22 - Stacey (Host)
He talked about some of the the demons that he fought and how he got through and how people helped him like he's, I think he at one point even said like I shouldn't be here, right, and he couldn't believe where he is and he couldn't believe that there were people who wanted to mentor him and brought him through his life and like he, almost it's almost like he feels like you're right, like it was like sort of just given him and he doesn't deserve it for some reason. 

00:46 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, and he can't understand it. 

00:48 - Stacey (Host)
But yet he gives so much back. 

00:49 - Mark (Host)
And he gives so much back and I think it's because so much was given. 

00:52 - Stacey (Host)
You know, what else I love is the fact that he really wasn't a chef. He had no idea how to cook the Hollandaise story is fantastic. 

00:58 - Mark (Host)
I told my wife that last night we were laughing. It was just a great story. It's a great story. 

01:03 - Stacey (Host)
So all you guys out there get excited, Pull your car over Over Volvo. Volvo Did. 

01:08 - Mark (Host)
I say Volvo. It's a whole different podcast. 

01:11 - Stacey (Host)
Cut that, Cut that. So everyone out there get excited to listen to Ed Doherty. Hi, I'm Stacey. 

01:20 - Mark (Host)
And I am Mark, and this is the Gurus and Game Changers podcast. 

01:27 - Stacey (Host)
Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, Gurus and Game Changers. We are so excited today because on the show we have one of my personal gurus, Ed Doherty. Hi he's the founder of One Degree Coaching, but he has a long career even though he's so young. He started out in the restaurant business, right yes, Capital Grill, Union Trust Steakhouse. 

01:49 - Mark (Host)
Yes. 

01:50 - Stacey (Host)
And then he went director of ops of Saxby's and now you have the founder of One Degree Coaching. 

01:57 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yes. 

01:58 - Stacey (Host)
So want to tell me a little bit about yourself and about One Degree, coaching, and then I want to reel it back to the family life. 

02:04 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
You got it. So One Degree Coaching was born out of hospitality, but it works everywhere. It's really about leadership and connecting people in a one degree relationship and it was a journey I learned in the tough streets of restaurant business so I started. I was a chef for 20 some years and chefs are lovely people and they are you being sarcastic? 

02:32
Yes, Well when I started out in the 1970s that's how young I am Um, it was a very different dynamic. And, uh, the chef chief, the whole structure of of of the restaurant chef world, comes from escoffier, and escoffier was a military guy, so he created a military structure in the kitchen and it was wonderful because it added order and sanitation and those kinds of things. But it also created the can I use the a word? Sure, created a bunch of assholes. 

03:06 - Stacey (Host)
So I consider myself a reformed asshole. 

03:09 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Right. And so the journey along the way. I just wanted to build happy, high performing teams. That was my goal. And I just happened to be a chef. I didn't know that until later, but I realized my behavior did not sync up to my why and what I wanted to accomplish. 

03:27 - Stacey (Host)
What's an example of that kind of behavior? 

03:30 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
It's just pure dominance. Shut up, I'm the only voice here. 

03:36 - Mark (Host)
I'm the king, yeah. 

03:38 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
It's a fiefdom Right and it's fun for a while, but it doesn't work with human beings over the long term. So I wanted to build these long-term relationships. People would come and go. I had some notoriety as a chef in the 80s and the early 90s, so people would hang out with me long enough to get their resume, but they really didn't like me. So I looked in the mirror one day and I said you know, you're an asshole, dude, and you know, if you really want to accomplish your overarching goal, um, you need to change the way you navigate the planet. So I started studying human nature. 

04:15 - Stacey (Host)
But what was that inciting moment, like what? So? What made you look at the mirror and say dude, you're an asshole. 

04:21 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Two things. One, I was. I usually don't like to talk about this, but I was an alcoholic. So I had a come to the universe conversation with myself. I quit drinking and stopped a lot of stuff and just started this journey of self-discovery. And just started this journey of self-discovery and yeah, so during his getting sober, I was in the program, as they say, the 12-step program, and it was this orderly way of digging yourself out of darkness. And so the program, the 12-step program. 

04:59
I was like, wow, this could probably be applied to anything, and I started to think about how, not only I could evolve, but how I could evolve the workplace that I was in, which was you know pretty rough. 

05:13 - Stacey (Host)
So, like for those people like there's listeners out there who have been in that same exact situation, or maybe they're even there now how do you take that first step, Like, do you just stay yourself and be like okay, I'm going to do this, Do you get help? Do you have your own guru, your own person who kind of guides you along that way? Or like, how can we help people who need that? 

05:36 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Well, it really is. Unfortunately, statistically it's not good. But you know, as far as the sobriety thing is concerned, I am very lucky to have quit and never relapsed or anything like that. So when it comes to sobriety, what I think is that step is that you fear loss. It's not like I am going to change, I'm going to be a better man. It's more I am going to lose my life. I'm going to lose my better man. You know it was more I am going to lose my life, I'm going to lose my. I already lost one wife, so I'm gonna know. I had a girlfriend. She was going to leave me. Um, things weren't good, right, I didn't ever have a problem at work because I didn't drink at work, but it was fear of loss, so I did it selfishly. And then you know, in the program you have somebody called a sponsor and they're your guru. 

06:24
Okay, and they take you through the steps. 

06:28 - Stacey (Host)
And that person was probably pretty important to you. 

06:31 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, he was. You know, the funny thing is, if I saw him on the street, I probably would walk the other way. 

06:40 - Stacey (Host)
Wow. That's the program, because Right, you're supposed to be anonymous. 

06:43 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah right, yeah, but no, I mean, he's not the kind of person I would hang out with, because I was a snob, right? 

06:49 - Stacey (Host)
So, chef, you mean before you went into the program, you would? Yeah, I was an eco-baniac with an inferiority complex. 

06:56 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
So I Tommy, tommy G he. Not only was he a stroke victim and he was much older than me, but it made me realize that the way people look and where they come from is not what's happening here, right. So he taught me a lot and he tricked me into getting better. 

07:17 - Stacey (Host)
How do you say that's amazing? 

07:19 - Mark (Host)
Why do you say, tricked you into? 

07:21 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
it. He would call me up and say had I really got to get to a meeting and I didn't want to go to one? You know you go to these meetings to stay sober and I'd be like Tommy, I'm busy, I got stuff going, he goes. Oh, if you don't pick me up, I might drink. And I was like, oh my God, it's terrible. 

07:38 - Mark (Host)
And. 

07:38 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I'd go and pick him up. He was sober for 30 years and he would get my ass to the meeting. And then I started talking to people. I was like boy, he's really he's like. He does that to everybody. 

07:53 - Mark (Host)
And so you know he really him and several other people intervened. 

07:56 - Stacey (Host)
Thank you, tommy. Thank you for helping me find Ed in my life. 

07:59 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, I've had several interventions in my life where people kind of saw me and said, is kids better than that? 

08:07 - Stacey (Host)
Wow, and kind of pulled me out. So did that happen when you were young as well? 

08:11 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, I had a pretty. My childhood was a little. There wasn't a lot of safety and belonging in my childhood so I had an older brother who was adopted and he he wasn't well and he was violent and so I was his object. 

08:29 - Stacey (Host)
Punching bag Exactly. 

08:31 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I flunked out of high school. I was involved with all the things that kids in the 70s were involved with Sure, yeah, yeah. 

08:38
This professor, I would sleep in the back of the room and one day he grabbed me. He said I want to show you something. He marched me across the hall and it was this dingy little theater and it was dirty and it was dusty and it was in disrepair and he said and he said, what do you think of this? I said I think this place needs help. And I said, yeah, it needs somebody to love. 

08:59 - Stacey (Host)
And so do you oh my god, they still get emotional, oh my gosh I. They still get emotional, oh my gosh, I'm going to get emotional. 

09:06 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, so little did he know, or maybe he did. I was in theater. Remember the Valley Forge Music Fair? 

09:13 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, of course. 

09:14 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Well, I lived across the street from the Canada County Music Fair, so in the summer I worked at Summer Stock Theater with real famous people from New York and in Hollywood, and it was that what's what Hollywood people and Broadway people did during the summer back in those days, and they'd be in these little theaters. So he I was already had a theater background. He walked me in here and he said this place needs you, you need it how do you, how do you think he knew? 

09:41
I don't know it's one of those weird things, so. So I turn around, he's gone and I'm walking what I'm walking around. 

09:47 - Stacey (Host)
Was he real? 

09:48 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
yeah, so I walked around this place and it was. It hadn't there, hadn't been a show there in years and, like the apathy of the 60s, just kind of killed. 

09:57 - Stacey (Host)
You know, let's do broadway plays, you know it's just like no one wanted to do anything. 

10:01 - Mark (Host)
Nobody wanted to do this one smoke pot and chill and have sex and protest and protest. 

10:05 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, free love Sounds fun, so I spent weeks cleaning up this place, throwing out the old sets, you know, just changing the lighting, like I knew how to do all that stuff. And then, a few months later, we put on our first show. 

10:21 - Stacey (Host)
So, knowing what you know now, like what do you think that lesson was? Like what did he instill in you right then? 

10:27 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Belonging, okay, a sense of purpose. I didn't have any Purpose. I was lost. I really was. And the funny thing is, a year later I was a student government president. I cut all my hair off. I was in Phi Theta Kappa, which is the phi beta kappa of two year schools, and, um yeah, it was crazy. 

10:52 - Mark (Host)
How much of that experience do you carry with you when you're working with teams? 

10:57 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
it's my entire, why it's what I, I I want. I was a lost soul who found purpose and I knew that. You know people always go oh no, don't say that. But I knew I was average. I was kind of born with this optimistic outlook that I'd really got dark at that time and Lewis Wells saved me, but I was born with optimism and that that has always been a fascinating for me. That. You know, even though I was like, I knew I was like average IQ and all that stuff, I just had this more a bright outlook. My father always told me I had my head in my cloud my head in the clouds and all that stuff that I was, you know, easily. 

11:47
uh, you know, I was just naive, but that naivete and optimism is the thing that really became what I am trying to help other people. 

11:59 - Stacey (Host)
Amen, amen. Well, how did you get into cooking? 

12:03 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Well, um, I was, I transferred to the University of Delaware from Wesley and, uh, then I got into my mother was a teacher, so I didn't know what to do and I was like I'll be a teacher. Meanwhile I'd always worked in restaurants and when the summer stock theater was down, I worked in restaurants and you know, I kind of stunk at it. What? I was a dishwasher and I was, you know, I was okay and I was a line cook and I was really bad, but it was always fun because it was like pirate ships. You bad and, um, but it was always fun because it was like pirate ships. You know, like you ever worked in a restaurant? They're literally, especially in the 70s and 80s, it was a pirate ship, you know, with just just crazy you know what do you mean? 

12:41 - Stacey (Host)
it was a pirate ship. You mean like just the doing lines and just and it was work and everybody's 

12:49 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
having fun and you'd work 12 hours and you'd sweat and curse and bond yeah, it was a pirate ship, um, and it'd work 12 hours and you'd sweat and curse, bond yeah, it was a pirate ship and it was a head pirate and that was the chef. And I was like I like that, that's kind of cool. So when I was graduating I realized I didn't want to be a third grade teacher and I wanted to. I think I want to do this. So one day I was working at the Blue and Gold Club, which was the University of Delaware's faculty alumni club, and there was this chef there named Bill, and Bill was a drunk and Bill would come in and he would start drinking and he'd pass out in a Rathskeller in the basement. And so I was like, wow. So I got my first offer to be a teacher in the Wilmington School District for like $13,000 a year, this is 1978, 9. 

13:37
And so I walked up to Bill one day and he was like he was decorating a cake and he was like, and this is gross, but he was like flop sweating on it because he was so hungover. 

13:46 - Mark (Host)
Oh Lord. 

13:47 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I'm like oh, my God. So I said hey. Bill, there's a question for you. Do you mind if I ask you a personal question what do you make a year? And he was like I make $30,000 a year. 

13:57 - Mark (Host)
And I was like for drinking all day? Easy choice, right, I can do that Third grade or $30,000?. 

14:01 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, it was that. So that's how I made my career decision. And then I found this little place called Goodfellas in Newark, Delaware, and this woman named excuse me, this woman named Kathy Risi turned out. She was like an up-and-coming chef, but I just wandered in there. 

14:21 - Stacey (Host)
I was going to say she sounds familiar. Kathy Risi. 

14:23 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, she was the first woman on the cover of Food Wine magazine when they did the talk, yeah, so here I was. You know she did all the cooking and I would put parsley on the plate, you know make the rolls, and I thought I was like really cool. And you know, here comes George Perrier you know he's hanging out there. Pierre Fronet people won't remember him maybe, but he was the sixth Dominic Gourmet for New York Times. Craig Cleaborn, who was the New York Times food critic for years back in the 70s and the 80s. These guys were like the top top, you know guys back then and they were showing up there and I just happened to be there why were they showing up? 

14:59 - Stacey (Host)
just because of her, wow she was. 

15:01 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
She was an enfant to rebuy. You know, she was this amazing young upstart, young woman chef and she got tons of attention and I was there along for the ride wow, did she take you under her wing or how did she? Totally yeah yeah, but I was delusional. I and she got tons of attention and I was there along for the ride. Wow, did she take you under her wing? Totally yeah, but I was delusional. I thought I was actually her. 

15:23 - Mark (Host)
So it's all part of being a narcissist, by the way, or confident. Yeah, more delusion than anything else. 

15:27 - Stacey (Host)
You're hard on yourself. No, I'm just honest, okay. 

15:31 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
So I decided to go off on my own. No, I'm just honest. Okay, so I decided to go off on my own. I wanted to go to Philadelphia and make my name. And I went to Philadelphia and I applied to this place called La Terrasse in West Philadelphia and at the time it was one of a handful of really good restaurants. In 1980, in Philadelphia, there was Frog La Terrasse, there was Lebec, but it was over where Vetri is now. It was a very small restaurant community and I went in there and applied and I interviewed this woman interviewed me by the name of Judy Wicks, white Dog Cafe. 

16:02 - Mark (Host)
Wow. 

16:03 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
And she was the manager at the time and I went in there and I was like, oh yeah, I can do this and do that. I was putting parsley on a plate. I had no clue. 

16:12 - Mark (Host)
Oh my gosh, that I was putting parsley on a plate. 

16:13 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I had no clue. Oh my gosh, I was thrown into this kitchen and I had no idea what I was doing. I realized in one moment what did I do Any parsley I could put on a plate. 

16:23 - Stacey (Host)
No, come on, you knew more than that. Oh, I did not, seriously, I knew some. 

16:27 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I was really not good. 

16:28 - Stacey (Host)
So what did you do? 

16:35 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Well, you do well, because it was 1980 and you can get away with that crap. I had a copy I. I had a copy of julia child's the art of french cooking. I put it in my locker and every time the chef would go go make some holidays, I'd be like I wonder what that is. I swear to god, I would go downstairs and I go, and I go upstairs and I like he's like no, no, not like that, what are you doing? Oh, I'm sorry, this is what we did at the last place and I just lied myself through it, meaning my locker. 

16:55 - Stacey (Host)
Wow, you faked it till you made it. 

16:57 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah and two and a half years later, I was the executive chef. 

17:00 - Stacey (Host)
I'm not kidding. 

17:05 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
So you went in as a line chef, line cook, line cook, yeah, and then it coming in from Culinary Institute. There were people there that had much more talent than me and experience, but I just kept raising, going to these leadership positions because of my attitude, basically. 

17:21 - Stacey (Host)
So you weren't an asshole then? 

17:23 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Well, I was. I was told by several people working with me that I was a good guy, but maybe that was outside of work when I was drinking. But for the most part, no, I was not I. For the most part, no, I was not. I just modeled. You know what I had seen? And then you know Judy, who was amazing. Judy Wicks is incredible, one of my great mentors. She taught me culture. She taught me what actually culture was. She sent me to Paris Like this is the kind of stuff they would do back then, like bulk expense paid. I went to Paris and studied at La Verenne so I really experienced some wonderful assholes there, like these real Michelin star chefs that worked in this place, came back to La Terrasse. 

18:06 - Stacey (Host)
So then you went from there to Capitol Grill. 

18:09 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
No years in between, I went to a place called London Restaurant and then I realized like Peter was like one of my great drinking buddies. Peter Coughlin, he was a great, great guy. You know two Irishmen you know, and I realized if I didn't get out of there I was going to die, because you know, Peter was a great drinking buddy. 

18:26 - Mark (Host)
That's about when I got sober. 

18:29 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
And then I went and worked at, actually got out of the business for a little bit, but I was in my early part of my journey for sobriety and I was told that I couldn't work in restaurants anymore by the AA people. 

18:44 - Stacey (Host)
Really. 

18:45 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Can't be around boots. Yeah, and BYOBs were in the thing, right. 

18:49
At least high-end ones back then. And then, luckily, another person intervened and this, this guy who was listening to these people, tell me you got to get out of the restaurant because, like, I guess I'll go cut lawns or something. I you know I was really going to, I wanted to get sober. So in aa, you just have to listen to what they say, sure and uh. So I was a good student there and this guy pulled me aside, said don't listen't listen to them. 

19:13
I was like what he said, just what you want to do is just whatever you, you know with all your might, pray that when you're at work, that alcohol is just a tool. When you're flambéing, it's just a tool, that's all it is. It's a knife, it's a cleaver, it's just another tool. Tool, that's all. It's a knife, it's a cleaver, it's just another tool. And just ask god, you know, to uh take away the thoughts that you want to drink that stuff. And I, you know, I'm not a religious person, spiritual, not religious so I did that, but it was the intention of it. So, um, I, uh, I turned down a job at this huge, wonderful restaurant, told them, told them I was an alcoholic and I couldn't take the job, and the guy called me back a few days later after I turned the job down. 

20:00
He said I don't know why I'm doing this, because I certainly don't want to hire an alcoholic, but I see something in you and his name was Tony Chagonis and he brought me into the place and that was phenomenal. It was an amazing experience. So, greenbrier, that place was incredible. I learned how to run really big restaurants and then I decided then he sold the restaurant, um, and then I was brokenhearted because he sold the restaurant. And then I I got a phone call. This is interesting. I got a a phone call from this person who said that they saw my resume and they wanted to talk to me. And I was so naive because I'd only worked in restaurants for about 15 years and I didn't know what the outside world was about. It was a multi-level marketing place. It was called Primerica. 

20:47 - Mark (Host)
And they sold insurance. 

20:48 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
And it was like this whole pyramid thing. But I didn't know. So I went in there and I'm like, oh, this is cool. Wow, I could become an insurance salesman. You know, I had no clue that it was like that, but what I learned there was a lot more about human nature than I ever learned before. People would, would do anything to be part of something where they could feel special and, uh, that that was an amazing experience. I almost you know, almost lost my home. You know, I'm almost like. 

21:17
You know, you don't make money in these things wow but I learned that people, if you get them excited about something, ego and yeah, and, and they feel like they're part of this, like cult. 

21:28
It was like a cult, right. And so I learned the power of cult and I was like, oh, so that was another amazing lesson. And then I went back to the restaurant business. I took a little bit of aa, a little bit of what they were doing in this cult and I said what are the actual mechanisms where human beings will be engaged, will they'll actually give their heart and soul to something, and it's not about money? And so I started exploring that back in the restaurant world, and so I was a chef at two more restaurants. The last one was La Campagna, which was a renowned French provincial restaurant. It's like a top 20 gourmet magazine joint. And then the whole leadership thing just started calling me too much. And then I started to codify in my own mind, studying these different folks that had these understandings of human nature. How do you build a happy, high-performing team? How do you build a great workplace where everybody's like into it and everybody's engaged? So I started that journey did you experience both? 

22:38 - Mark (Host)
ends of that spectrum you were on a high engaged, love your job team. All the way to the magic is gone. Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. 

22:46 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I've worked in horrendous teams where there is no magic and it's. It's horrible. 

22:52 - Mark (Host)
So I Sometimes there's more learning in that. 

22:56 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Well, failure is the teacher. 

22:58 - Mark (Host)
Because I've often said you can learn to be a better manager of people more from watching bad managers than just trying to emulate a good manager, absolutely. That's that person's style to be a good manager. But you can see wow, I will not do that. Yeah, or that's a toxic place to be. And I know you focus a lot in your company on disengagement. 

23:17 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yes, that's right. 

23:18 - Mark (Host)
I think you said 75% of people are disengaged. It's $500 billion in productivity. Half the people are looking for jobs and we all believe that, because many of us feel disengaged from certainly nine to five, and not just corporate, but retail, industrial, because I think there's a lack of purpose. It's just go in, punch the clock, do my job and go home Exactly, and there's no vision of a higher purpose, that's right. 

23:47 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
So how do you get? 

23:48
people engaged Well first you have to understand that there's a biology behind it. There's not philosophy, it's biology. Like human beings are purpose maximizers, like we are absolutely built, our brains are wired in to be tribal, to be part of something that's bigger than us, and that we can feel that feeling, that safety and belonging in that space. So you have to understand the science behind it and you know, once you kind of have a handle on that, because it's counterintuitive, all of it is a paradox. It's the complete opposite of what comes natural, because natural leadership, as I call it with quotes, is domination. It's, you know, do what I, or else which is which was the model up until very recently. Um, and thanks to covid and this newer generation, it's being all blown up and it is backwards and broken. 

24:44
But people bought into it before because the economics were different. Meaning, you know like I think about my dad, um, you know he, he worked for the same company for 40-some years. It's over. So everybody now doesn't have that, they're not going to go to a business and they're going to be taken care of for their whole life. But that used to be the American way. So, because of the new economy, because of the new era workplace. Leaders have to learn new skills period, and that's what Wendigry's about. It's teaching these new skills that don't really make sense at first and so that people will give you permission to be their leader or mentor. You can't. People will not do anything. They will not engage in anything that they don't want to do. 

25:31 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, so these are soft skills. Yeah, yeah. So just are soft skills. Yeah, yeah. So just itemize list a couple of the skills that you think are the most important, that people need in order to be successful as a manager, successful as in their own career. What are those skills right now? Hey guys, thanks for listening. If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review, give us a follow, subscribe, subscribe things, all those things. We love it because we read each and every comment and it helps shape the show, so we would appreciate it please, and back to the show in order to be successful as a manager, successful as in their own career. 

26:04
What are those skills right now? 

26:05 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
yeah, I used to be like. It used to be like, um, you know, care about people, really care, like actually I would. I dared to say the word love recently. Love people, you know, like try to have that level of empathy, understand human nature and then take responsibility. And so I've kind of changed the first two out and it's vulnerability now. 

26:33 - Stacey (Host)
Okay. 

26:34 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
It's like being open to just feeling it, you know, and vulnerability is actually a superpower and a lot of people don't understand what vulnerability is, but it's actually being authentic. It's like just being able to just be your freaking self. Being able to just be your freaking self and if you're, you know if your drool is showing and you know you're. You know you're not always perfect. People absolutely love that. They love authenticity. Just be vulnerable to that. And then self-awareness like just really go on a journey to figure out, like what's driving you. Like most people go through life and don't know why they're doing what they're doing, so they can't find purpose. And then responsibility like take responsibility for your self-awareness and how you and then share that with others. You know, it's like a 3.5 is to share with others. So that's my new, my new code. 

27:33 - Mark (Host)
So all those self-skills that you, self-awareness, all that you just discussed, do you find that that needs to be developed in the manager more than the teammate or the person that reports to them? Like what person? I'm probably not asking this? No, you're asking a great question, then I'll stop right there. 

27:52 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yes. So human beings need vision, they need a purpose right to follow. So, like at Saxby's, what we developed at Saxby's was like make life better. It has nothing to do with coffee, people don't care about what you do, they care about why you do it. So that's biology, right? 

28:08
If you look at Simon Sinek in the Golden Circle and look at that stuff folks that know that, simon sinek in the golden circle and look at that stuff, folks that know that it turns out that, you know, we are driven by this very um, by our feelings, and the part of our brain that actually makes all of our decisions for us um, has no language capacity. So it's all, it's all very tribal and it's all very like. You know, in nanoseconds people decide whether they trust you or not, and then the neocortex, which is our human brain, you know, justifies the things that we, that we, we do. But most people go through life and they don't know why they're doing what they're doing. They don't know. They just get up every morning and right and they are driven by their, their impulses. 

28:51
So, um, what you have to understand is, if you give people a vision and you give them some purpose, and it's yours, and they say, well, you know what? I kind of like that we're not trying to build cults here, we want to build culture. The difference between a cult and a culture is cults are completely overlapped and they absorb the person. This is just somebody touching your belief system and saying you know what? I kind of believe that too, and I think I want to hang out with you guys for a while and that creates loyalty. And so you have a leader and he's got vision and he's got a set of values. 

29:29 - Stacey (Host)
Or she. 

29:30 - Mark (Host)
What's that or she. I'm sorry. 

29:32 - Stacey (Host)
You're right, they, they, they, them. 

29:35 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Thank you, stacey, yeah. 

29:38 - Mark (Host)
I'm showing my age. 

29:40 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
But in between the vision, the leader, the values that are created by some wonderful person is the team on the other side, but in between them is the manager. And the biggest disconnect that I have to work with is that this wonderful person has this great idea, this great vision for what life could be and what we could do. He finds some people who believe too and he builds a little tribe and then they plunk a manager down in between them. If that manager is not aligned, does not know how to be a leader and does not reflect the true vision and values of the organization, and the founder dysfunction, not only dysfunction. I always say it's worse to have a codified culture than to have it and not actually execute it properly. 

30:35
It really messes people up. 

30:37 - Stacey (Host)
So you're saying, if the leader is saying, okay, here's my vision, here's my mission, and they hear this from the leader, and then the manager isn't translating it, it's worse for the team, because they see what the leader's trying to do, but they also see that the manager's not helping or hindering that and it causes crumble it causes total disillusion and then disengagement. 

31:00 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
That's the biggest problem. Gallup wrote a book a few years ago called it's the Manager, and they should have said it's the Manager. Stupid, because this happens all the time. 

31:11
Wow, you know oh, we got this great idea and the team's like we believe. And then this person comes in and says, all right, you guys, I'm in charge here and this is the way it's going to go, and they don't know how to connect the one degree connection. That's why one degree, the one degree connection between the vision and the values and the goals of the company and everybody in the organization and the manager. So there's no leadership training out there in most mid-sized companies right, especially small companies we can't afford that. But that's the thing that messes up all the profits and all the sales growth. And I'm just trying to get the word out that you've got to take time to do that. Yeah, enlightened leadership. 

31:56 - Mark (Host)
Because too often you're taking the person who is best at their job, the A player, at their job. They become the manager and they're automatically, not automatically often a. B or a C player in that new role, right, right, when they should have just been left in their role. Yeah, yeah, true, you get the A productivity out of that person. 

32:14 - Stacey (Host)
They might be asking. They might be Like hey, I want more responsibility, I want you know and you want to give those people. If you're a good leader, sure, well, you want a career path and all that. 

32:23 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
A lot of times these people are dominant right. That's how they fight their way through. 

32:28 - Mark (Host)
They're the most vocal, yeah. 

32:30 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah. 

32:30 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, can this go the other way too? Right? So I think you know I ran a company and you and I talked quite a bit about it. But I think one of the things that I think back on, the things I probably didn't do well, you know, there's a lot of beating up of yourself, you know, when there's no more company. But one of the things I think I went the other way. I went too vulnerable, too authentic, too permissive in some senses, but that's just my personality. So how do you, if you're the other side of the coin, and I just want everyone to love like I loved everybody? They're all my friends, you know, and I wanted to. You know, like I thought, but that wasn't really the way to go either. 

33:09 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, I learned that from Judy Wicks Like she had this amazing balance of, like she could be an absolute buffoon. You know and have fun, and I'm not saying that you were a buffoon. 

33:17 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, I was kind of a buffoon. 

33:19 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I mean one time they made her a birthday cake and she sat on it. 

33:22 - Mark (Host)
I mean it was fantastic. 

33:24 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
The pastry chef was pissed but she taught me the center of the one degree methodology that I didn't figure out for like 20 years later. But she could connect. And you have to connect first. You have to be vulnerable, you have to be able to do that, because if you can't connect with people, then there's no way they're going to follow you, especially in today's marketplace Like you know, I've been doing this stuff for like 15 years now and COVID and the great resignation- Changed everything right. 

33:57
It accelerated, and then the generational values that came up. But I want to get ahead of myself, because that's really important to talk about. But you've got to connect first. So you have managers who are connectors, you know, and everyone loves them, right. But people also need direction. 

34:14
They need order and they need discipline. So it's this balancing act and this is one of the methodologies or techniques I teach leaders, especially newer leaders Please connect. But now I've got to teach you how to direct. How do you tell people what to do? And it's balancing connect first, but make sure you direct, and I'll go into an organization and I'll look around, I'll just say which ones are the connectors and which ones are the directors and the directors of those go-getter, tough bosses, you know, and then the connectors are like but I want everybody to be happy and I teach this balancing act between the two and that's and you do that via the Predictive Index now, because I saw that in your. 

34:57 - Stacey (Host)
Oh, yeah, yeah which I think is super cool. I don't know. You don't need to go into full detail about it. 

35:01 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Well, Predictive Index is a talent optimization platform that helps people create self-awareness and then understanding others, because human beings are wired in in protective mode. So we're, you know, unless you're like a real, real optimist like you and me, a lot of people are like you know, and then they can't see themselves. So the predictive index allows you to see what drives you is these four factors, and it's dominance, extroversion, patience and formality, developed completely for the workplace and you I'm a maverick, by the way. You get a profile. 

35:41 - Stacey (Host)
I don't remember what I am. I know I took it. 

35:43 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah. 

35:43 - Stacey (Host)
I'm not a maverick, though no. 

35:45 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
You're probably more like an altruist or something. No, there's another one. What are they? 

35:49 - Stacey (Host)
Do you know what are the? 

35:50 - Mark (Host)
So there's a maverick, there's 17 of them. 

35:52 - Stacey (Host)
Oh, never mind yeah. 

35:54 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
You're probably a Were, you a promoter. 

35:57 - Stacey (Host)
Yes, I think I'm a promoter. 

35:58 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Promoters. Yeah, they're amazing and that was perfect, right. But yeah, Mavericks are out-of-the-box thinkers. They're creative, innovative and they never give up. That's what a Maverick is. 

36:25
But anyway, the Predictive Index allows me now to get to that self-awareness with the leader fast, because if you have a dominant leader who is not collaborative and he is moves fast, or he or she or they, um, and they, uh, they aren't into details, which a lot of people who are in innovation aren't into details, by the way um, they can easily not be great leaders, you know. They've gotten there by their willpower, to your point, mark and then they have to create this whole other. So when they become aware of the things that are messing them up and it's done in a way through the predictive index, it's not judgmental, it's just, it's who you are. There's no good or bad, it's just this is who you are and then they look at other people's patterns. It's a pattern that's formed by these four factors and they can go. 

37:08
Oh, my God, I need to let this person be more collaborative. I'm like dominating them. Yes, you do. I'm like driving this person crazy because I just never stop talking and they're more introspective. That's right. You know I've moved too fast. I've got to slow down. Yeah, yeah, you know I break the rules all the time and it's making my accountant crazy. Yeah, when you're with him. You should probably not do that. 

37:29
And it just creates this instead of it being like you're an asshole and I'm not. It's like. I'm okay, you're okay and this is how. But how can we treat each other better at work? Through the predictive index. 

37:40 - Stacey (Host)
It's pretty cool. Yeah, I loved it too. It was really fun. And then you can also like, look at one of your co-workers and be like oh, they're a promoter oh, they're a maverick, or oh and you understand them more in sort of like a third party way versus like oh, that's ted and he's, you know, just being a pain that's right. 

37:54 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Whatever ted is ted, ted is ted as long as ted's not you know we're not really talking about the real ted. Whatever the ted no, I know this is a big ted bob john mary. Yeah, um, as long as they're good people and they're living within the values. 

38:09 - Stacey (Host)
I'm sorry, do you have something? No, go ahead, it's so interesting, right? 

38:12 - Mark (Host)
I keep thinking of questions, but I don't want to. No, no. 

38:16 - Stacey (Host)
I was going to say is there an example of someone that you've helped along the way? Why did they come to you? You don't have to name names, but why did they come to you? How did you take them from whatever, wherever they were? They came to you to success. Like what? Do you have a question? 

38:35 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
you don't want me to talk about you? 

38:37 - Stacey (Host)
you can no, I don't know. No, it's gonna be a success story so it is I see you smiling. 

38:43 - Mark (Host)
I'm very happy now. 

38:44 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I'm so happy that you're happy. So yeah, I have a dozen clients companies mostly and within those organizations are dozens of people that I interact with every day and I'm helping them to evolve into a happy place for them at work, and so I guess an example well, I think a great example is Nick Bayer. 

39:14 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, yeah. 

39:16 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
You know, Nick, when I met Nick, we were both not in a great place. We both had the same partner in two different enterprises. 

39:21 - Stacey (Host)
Nick, by the way for listeners is the CEO of Saxby's in Philadelphia. 

39:26 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
And boy he has evolved, and the company's evolved. I mean mind-blowing it's evolved, it's now an experiential learning platform for students that just happens to be a coffee company. 

39:35 - Stacey (Host)
Right right. 

39:37 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
So when I met Nick, you know he was with this person who wanted to franchise and Nick just wanted to build community. And one day I was about to open this big steakhouse and I was talking to my team because I was a real believer even back then about core values and building these value systems where people can understand the kind of behavior that we want, how a team should behave on its best day. It's an ideal. It's not. You know, we don't want people to be perfect. Just why don't we just respect each other and why don't we have some integrity and that kind of stuff? Let's work on that. So I was giving a speech or talk to my team about core values, and his dad walked by the door because we were in this big office. 

40:21 - Stacey (Host)
Nick Baer's dad. 

40:21 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, nick Baer, they used to work. The parents would work with him and he was new to philadelphia. He was, I think, in atlanta before that and he I just remember this guy like backing up, standing at the door and like listening, and then running away and I was like and he went and found nick and he said, nick, you gotta hear this guy. He's, I think he's what you need. You talk like this all the time. And nick and I got together, we talked and we interacted and he started to understand like I've got to live by my belief system, not by money or franchising. And franchising is like, like you know, it can be good but not a big fan. It it's. It's the overlord taking all the cream off the top and you get the scraps. 

41:07 - Stacey (Host)
Right. 

41:07 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
And that's why sometimes franchises aren't great. So he was like I don't want to franchise anymore. So he got out of that and we worked together on and off. We built his value system and his culture. He had already had, I think, make Life Better and over the years, on and off, we've worked together and I went back in a few years ago and we redid the value system because he now had a vision that he wanted to create an experiential learning cafe in universities all around the country where young people would learn to be leaders in real time. 

41:36
Yeah, and so I helped him work on all that kind of cultural leadership stuff and I watched him because he wanted it Right To evolve. It was already there. It's just that he was in a construct that you know, I've got to make money, I've got to make this business successful. And now look at him. 

41:57 - Stacey (Host)
So you're saying that leaders shouldn't focus on making money per se? 

42:03 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
You know there was a study done called Good to Great you know, there was a study done called Good to Great, and it was written in the late 90s when it was all about making money. Right, and it turned everything upside down. And it turned out it was the opposite of what everybody else was doing. This is the theme right, because the way our brains are structured, because the thing that really matters doesn't have language capacity, the louder voice of logic and and materialism drowns out the voice of purpose and and and goodness. So we, we default to that. So, yeah, making money will happen. 

42:44
If you look at the good to great study, if you find enlightened leadership, servant leadership, whatever you want to call it, you find true believers. You build a culture where everybody's focused on this one wonderful idea. You face the brutal facts, but you don't give up hope. So you have awareness and then the money comes. It's, it's very interesting, um, when he aligned his vision of the world to his business and it took years, by the way, it doesn't happen overnight. He is now, you know, I was emailing him the other day and he and, uh, he said we still stay in contact and he just did this amazing capital raise right, like the money came and they're going to expand even more, and before it was like when they were trying to force it. 

43:32
It wasn't happening. So you got to line up the chakras. Success is lining up the chakras of enlightened leadership team and a culture that believes having a very focused platform, which we call the hedgehog. You know what are you passionate about, what can you be great hedgehog? You know what are you passionate about what? What can you be grayed out? And then what drives your economic engine? Those three things have to stay aligned. And when you line those chakras up, um, it doesn't always happen, but and then you can't quit. 

43:59
It's just good because you never know, like I've seen so many people quit before success. 

44:04 - Mark (Host)
Right yeah, it's taking you back to the restaurant world. You valued the power. You valued the position. What do you value now? What is the most important as you define your personal success? What do you value most? 

44:24 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I want to share. I think that this generation now is a little lost. And I'm not a generation, you know, smack down guy. I have millennials as children, but I think that they're lost and I want to share with them how an average guy with just a little bit of optimism and a lot of grit can find happiness and purpose. 

44:53
like I, I can't yeah I'm a loser right, I mean, I should no I should have been a loser, but a couple people came along and pulled my ass out, and so I want to share that with people, and I think what's happening now the thing that's really driving me if I'm answering your question properly, mark, and tell me. If I'm not, as you can tell, I can easily go off the rails. There's these three things that you need to be happy at work. There's these three things that you need to be happy at work and their purpose, a transcendent purpose, that work matters. And the new generation has that absolutely right. They're the first generation that stood up and said we're not just going to do freaking work, we want purpose, boom. So they're so right about that. 

45:44
And the next thing you need is a sense of mastery. You've got to be good at something, like everybody in this room is good at something right and um, yeah, you are, I know you and um and, and that sense of mastery gives you real sense of security and and gives you identity and um and, and that's real value. And then the next thing that people need to be happy at work is autonomy. They want to be self-directed, they don't want to be micromanaged, they want to be free. So the new generation wants purpose and they want autonomy. That's the at work, at home work-life balance, which is, by the way, a lie that's been sold a lot of people. Work-life balance doesn't exist, thank you, um. But the mastery part's getting lost, because what's happening is is that people are wandering from job to job to job and they're never getting mastery. 

46:36
So my 20 years in the restaurant business, 20, well, 35 years, 25 as a chef and then as a manager and owner and coo and all that stuff, I got deep mastery. So that bought me my autonomy. You cannot become autonomous if you're not good at something. So I'm trying to get the word out that you know. I know that. Find a place where the culture is right. Don't worry so much about making the money, not if you're young. You know, um, it'll come and and find a place. Find a tribe to hang out with, but get good at something, something. And uh and I know that sounds very like baby boomer, but it's, it's. I just see it over and over again now. 

47:24 - Stacey (Host)
So I um but is there an opportunity to do that these days, like it's there is, okay, yeah, how? 

47:30 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
you just, there's lots of places that need people and they're trying to change the workplace. Covid forced the workplace to wake up, um, and to change the way that they build their workplaces and the way they treat their people and the opportunities that they give and career path. The whole thing is is a revolution happening right now? And, um, so it's. It's not happening fast enough for me sometimes, but that's what I do, but, um, if you can build a better workplace, um, and then someplace people can feel safe and and they feel like they're growing and they have that opportunity, um, but I'm just, uh, I'm just trying to get out the word like, stay somewhere for a year and a half, you know, don't jump around and around around, because you'll never, you'll always go into someplace and you'll never get autonomy and you'll never get that next thing because you just never, you never learned you have to always rely on somebody else. 

48:25 - Stacey (Host)
You always will have to collaborate. Unless you learn, you'll be micromanaged something in and out. 

48:30 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, this person doesn't know what they're doing. Right, I'm gonna have to like, right, yeah? 

48:33 - Stacey (Host)
yeah well, oh my gosh, I have so many questions. I can't believe we're almost at an hour and um wow yeah, and I. So normally what we do is do like a couple lightning round, just a few little fun questions you know, and get us out of the deep, and. And then I want you to tell everybody how to get a hold of you and how to grow your business and what you really want you know in the future. Yeah, no, that's one of our things. But okay, what's on your bedside table right now? 

48:59 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I'm reading Enlightened Leadership by Matt Pepsil. He's a PI guy and he's always about leadership. There's a book about astronomy that I'm reading as well. 

49:12 - Stacey (Host)
Why. 

49:13 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I'm fascinated by the universe, stars and stuff. And then, oh my gosh, I'm having trouble. I'm reading this book and I can't remember the title. It's about hospitality. It's written oh my God, it's called Unreasonable. Oh yes, it's about, uh, a restaurant in new york that was the number one restaurant in the world, and how they they did hospitality so outrageously that, uh, they created a whole ecosystem out of it. Damn, it's cool, going the extra mile very, very cool. 

49:47 - Stacey (Host)
And then one thing, this is my favorite question do you have any? I have one, yeah, go ahead, you ask first. 

49:52 - Mark (Host)
Then let's just one last. You've called yourself some terrible things, oops you called yourself a loser. You called yourself an asshole. I just want you to give us two or three compliments of yourself oh, good one, good one mark, what do? You even the one single word. 

50:17 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I guess gritty is one. I'm learning to be empathetic, Teacher motivator Clearly humble. 

50:29 - Stacey (Host)
Clearly humble. 

50:29 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, very humble, we should have had a truth teller with you. Yeah. 

50:32 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah to pull out the humbleness Actually. 

50:35 - Stacey (Host)
I could probably talk to how amazing you are. 

50:37 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I don't want to embarrass you. No, it's okay, I'm good, I'm good. 

50:41 - Stacey (Host)
So then, just piggybacking on that one. I love that, Mark. That was an awesome question, because you are sort of self-deprecating like to the max yeah um what's one thing that now no one knows about you, that you can break on this podcast wow, I've never been asked that question. 

51:00 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
There are very few people I guess because I'm such an extrovert and I'm so out there. I don't know if there's much I haven't told. Oh, I wrote about this in my. I used to have a very active imagination and I used to pretend like I was a time traveler. 

51:18 - Stacey (Host)
Wow. 

51:19 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Up into my like 20s. 

51:21 - Stacey (Host)
Wait, tell me about that. 

51:22 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, I would do this game where I would I started as a child because an amazing dream machine that I still have these incredibly vivid dreams, sorry piano I would sit down with, like you folks and I'd close my eyes and I started to imagine and I would come in and I didn't know who you were, even if you were my best friends, or where I was or what year it was, and I would have to figure out what my relationship was with you, who I was in this thing that I landed in, because I would land in another body. That sounds actually like a lot of fun. 

52:00 - Mark (Host)
And. 

52:00 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
I would do this wild game and my friends would be not knowing I was doing this, whoa, and I would start asking them questions about themselves in a way that they didn't, and I kept doing it into my 20s. 

52:13 - Stacey (Host)
And no one knew. No one knew I was so embarrassed by it. Why? Why was that embarrassing? 

52:19 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Because I was some five-year-old still Magical thing. But I just had this overact. I'd get bored easily, so I'd be with my friends and they'd be like, hey, man, you need to make another joint. I'd be like, no, I just want to imagine and play. 

52:35 - Stacey (Host)
And you'd go into this time travel machine and show up as a different skin, ed. 

52:40 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, that's sick. You know what we should write a movie about that? It's really cool, that's cool. I love that. It's really cool, that's cool. I love that. That's almost a form of dissociation really. 

52:48 - Stacey (Host)
Maybe you just felt like not really being here. 

52:51 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Or maybe I didn't want to be me. 

52:52 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, ooh, yeah. Sorry, there's so much more there. What'd you? 

52:57 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
say, I didn't realize how self-defecating I am, but I am. 

53:00 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah. 

53:00 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah. 

53:08 - Stacey (Host)
Well, when you're an egomaniac, narcissist in your reformed, you know, yeah, you can go back to that. Yeah, right, you gotta be careful. So how can people get in touch with you, learn about you, work with you? In which channel do you want them to reach out to? 

53:23 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, so I wish I was better on social media, but you know, I'm one degree coaching and so I have a website and in that website there's a lot of resources, there's ways to contact me. It's wwwonedegreecoachingcom. Um, I write a weekly blog that I'm really passionate about, Ed's Notes and, um, you can go on the website and sign up for that. Please do that and that you I share. Every Sunday morning I share some thoughts about the world leadership and maybe a little bit about myself, but mostly about, you know, building happy, high performing workplaces and, in this new era that we're in, Love it. 

54:04
Thank you, this has been great. 

54:06 - Mark (Host)
This has been great Love tapping into a great mindset, like I love you. Thank you for coming. Thank you, yeah. 

54:11 - Ed Doherty (Guest)
Yeah, this has been awesome thanks for having another two hours for you. 

54:14 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, yeah, you're gonna start charging us yeah, thank you for coming. 

54:26 - Stacey (Host)
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