The 3 Missing Love Languages No One Talks About | Ep 060

➡️ When a brilliant mathematician turns his analytical mind to the science of love, unexpected patterns emerge. Dr. Andy Winkler, a PhD mathematician and former National Science Foundation fellow, reveals his groundbreaking discovery that there aren't just 5 love languages—there are 8. In this mind-expanding conversation, Dr. Winkler breaks down how our walking styles, hand gestures, and personality types all connect to reveal our true love frequencies. From charging bulls to gliding queens, learn how your movement patterns might be telegraphing your deepest relationship needs.

➡️  Episode Highlights

💡 Dr. Winkler's journey from pure mathematics to studying love and relationships
💡 The three missing love languages and how they connect to personality types
💡 How your walking style reveals your natural relationship tendencies
💡 The connection between hand gestures and relationship communication
💡 Why certain personality combinations work better together in relationships

➡️ Chapters
00:00 - Opening Discussion on Love Languages
03:20 - Introduction to Dr. Andy Winkler
04:38 - The Mathematics of Failed Relationships
05:52 - Redefining Love as a Verb
06:51 - Why the Golden Rule Fails in Relationships
08:06 - The Eight Love Languages Revealed
10:54 - The Four Walking Styles & Their Meanings
14:19 - Hand Gesture Analysis & Personality Types
19:54 - Natural vs Sexual Selection in Relationships
21:20 - Dr. Winkler's Current Projects & Mathematical Discovery


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➡️ More about the guest:  Dr Andy Winkler 
💡 PhD in Mathematics
💡 National Science Foundation Fellow
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➡️ Other Resources: 
The Five Love Languages, Gary Chapman: https://5lovelanguages.com/
Please Understand Me, David Keirsey: https://www.amazon.com/Please-Understand-Me-Character-Temperament/dp/B005IT31HM/ref=asc_df_B005IT31HM?mcid=ac070415d8e83bfeb530a384b13f570c&hvocijid=11142940759823083845-B005IT31HM-&hvexpln=73&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=692875362841&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11142940759823083845&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007376&hvtargid=pla-2281435176898&psc=1


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Transcript

00:01 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Stacy what's your love language? 

00:03 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Oh, oh, oh, good, good good. 

00:05 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
My love language is Do you want me to read them to you real quick? 

00:10 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Yes, all right, so the five love languages which I did not know. Are you talking about the one that I like to receive or the one I like to give? 

00:18 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Both. Okay, actually, this is a good question. 

00:20 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Yeah, so the five of them, which I just learned, are words of affirmation, quality time with each other, physical touch and acts of service, and receiving gifts. 

00:36 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
What do you like to? 

00:36 - Stacey Grant (Host)
receive. I like to receive words of affirmation. Definitely so. When you say mean things, it hurts me. 

00:40 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
And then, what do you think your husband values, or what? What do I like to give? 

00:46 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Yeah, Touch Okay. 

00:50 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
What does he value Physical? 

00:52 - Stacey Grant (Host)
touch. I think he values physical touch. 

00:54 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Primarily yes, so you're, you're aligned. 

00:57 - Stacey Grant (Host)
No, no, I don't like to give physical touch. 

00:58 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Oh, you don't. 

00:59 - Stacey Grant (Host)
No, no, we're not aligned at all. No, I like to give acts of service okay, okay so we're not aligned so you're divorcing? No, no, no, no. We're working through it analytically with math problems, just like, just like our guest just like our guest who has a PhD in mathematics. 

01:15 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
We got to go back to you, oh what's your level? 

01:17 - Stacey Grant (Host)
we have to. Yes so. 

01:19 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
I think I value physical touch and words of affirmation the most. 

01:24 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Okay, okay. 

01:25 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Yeah, and I think what I think I deliver the best is probably acts of service. Isn't that what? You said yes, acts of service and words of affirmation. But what is Karen? I think she probably values words of affirmation the most. Okay, yeah, and what do you give her? Words of affirm, service and acts of service. They're kind of tied. Okay, so you're good, you're aligned, I'm good, you're better than I'll be married for a while. 

01:52 - Stacey Grant (Host)
yeah, that's just like, you're fine, you don't have to worry about the other thing. You said where your second relationship is half the amount of time is your first, which I don't believe because I'm on my second relationship and it's longer, longer hey, congrats. 

02:02 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
That's because you're aligned in your five love languages. But our guest today, dr Andrew Winkler, said that there's actually eight and he's well, he's a mathematician but he's got this incredible mind and he's. He said a lot of things that went over my head. 

02:16 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Oh my God, I understood nothing. 

02:18 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
And proved to us that we are not as smart as he is, but he talks about so many different things. 

02:23 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Then you had to ask if we were living in a simulation. 

02:27 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Yeah, we may not even leave that in the episode, because there was really no answer to that. But he talks about the different ways that people walk and what that means. 

02:35
Oh, I love that part and the different gestures, the way people gesture and what that means to their personality. And then it all ties back to the connection and the love connection between you and the person that you think you love, meaning you think you're loving them the right way but you may not be loving them the way they need to be loved, Sort of like what we were just saying. 

02:54 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Right, not don't use the golden rules. What he was saying, don't use the gold Like that was big for me. 

02:58 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
That's weird, Cause I I always approach like I would love this, so let me do this for her, and she's like what are you doing? 

03:08 - Stacey Grant (Host)
There's so much that we need to unpack with this one. 

03:10 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Yeah, we'll turn the mics off and we'll go. Let's go downstairs to the bar. 

03:13 - Stacey Grant (Host)
In the meantime. 

03:15 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Enjoy, dr Andrew Winkler. 

03:19 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Hi, I'm Stacey. 

03:20 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
And I am Mark, and this is the Gurus and Game Changers podcast. So welcome everybody, stacey. And I am Mark, and this is the gurus a game changers podcast. So welcome everybody. So to say that today's guest, dr Andrew Winkler, is a smart guy is quite the understatement. He has a PhD in mathematics. He was a National Science Foundation fellow. He's an author. He taught his first college class wait for it at the age of 15 what. 

03:44
What I know right. In fact, one researcher called a young Andy one of the truly finest minds we've ever encountered. 

03:50 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Why is he here? 

03:51 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
This is a smart guy who thinks on a whole different level than the rest of us, but, interestingly enough, he's not here to talk about your mind, he's here to talk about your heart. Yeah, so I'm sure you've heard about the five love languages, and if you don't know what they are, we'll cover them in a moment, in true mathematician style, andy figured out that that number is wrong. 

04:13
There aren't five, there are actually eight, and the three that we're all missing are the three most important ones. So, dr Andy, welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us, thank you, thank you for joining us, thank you. 

04:24 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Thank you for those kind words and thank you for having me here. 

04:31 - Stacey Grant (Host)
I mean it's really cool having you here. Mark talked about all those fantastic things that you did and you're a mathematician and what made you get into the study of love. 

04:36 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Right. Why did you do that 180 degrees? 

04:38 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
There's a pattern you may have heard of. It turns out typically, when a relationship falls apart, the next relationship lasts about half as long, really. 

04:49 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Yeah. 

04:50 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
I don't know that anybody knows the reason for this, but it's a recurring pattern. I had a relationship that was starting to kind of enter a rocky phase, so I learned some things about personality, trying to get some more insight just kind of into you know kind of how we all work, and that actually extended the life of that relationship for another five years. Because what I realized, what I learned, was that everything that I loved about her was inseparably connected with everything that annoyed and frustrated me about her, that the two were inseparable, they were two sides of one coin, and that sounds counterintuitive. That the two were inseparable. 

05:25 - Stacey Grant (Host)
They were two sides of one coin. 

05:26 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
That sounds counterintuitive, so I started trying to find everything I could that would tell me you know, how can I fix this, how can I make this better? And one of the things I read was the book on the five love languages. It turns out that not only do we have to feel loved, we have to not feel unloved. 

05:45 - Stacey Grant (Host)
So you study love languages. What is your definition of love? 

05:52 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Yeah, well, so one way of saying it that I think was a Covey notion is that love is a verb, not a noun, and so it's the way we act that shows that we're thinking about someone and caring about them. And uh, on the other hand, the way we feel loved is when we notice people doing things which, if we were to do them, would mean, uh, that we were thinking about someone, uh, in a way that shows that we care. 

06:24 - Stacey Grant (Host)
I love that Processing, that it's a verb. Yeah, love is definitely a verb. 

06:28 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
But at some point I heard you say that the golden rule, like I would do that for someone because that's what I want somebody to do for me. I would treat my wife this way because if she did that for me then I would know that she's loved. Like golden rule Right. 

06:51 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
But I think I mentioned that's a relationship killer. Yeah, that's, that's a mistake that we all very easily make. And a simple example, right, a simple example is that, if I'm following the golden rule, I'm going to cook a delicious steak dinner for my vegetarian friend okay and because you because that's what I would have done for me, right, um? 

07:03
but if? Not only would they not appreciate it, they would likely be offended by it, because it very clearly shows that I don't know them and that I don't care about their desires and feelings and preferences. Got it, these love languages I talk about as like wavelengths or frequencies, because if you're sending on one wavelength and they're tuned into a different wavelength, they're not hearing your show, they're not, they're not experiencing love, you're not having the impact in terms of lifting their life that you want to have because you love them. 

07:34 - Stacey Grant (Host)
You read the love languages book and you thought to yourself there needs to be more love languages at that point. Or we're missing some. 

07:42 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
I knew a lot of friends that I knew their personality types and we had conversations about the love languages Should we reel it back and do what the five love languages are. 

07:51 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Yeah, I knew you were going to do that. 

07:53 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
I want to talk about it because the five, just to list them, are to give words of affirmation, to spend quality time, physical touch, acts of service and receiving gifts. So what are the three that we're missing? 

08:06 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
It's a little more subtle than that. So each of these eight functions has a love language. Because? So each of these eight functions has a love language. For extroverted thinking, it's this acts of service sort of thing. For the extroverted sensor, that's the one that's touch, but also any kind of pleasure of the senses. For the introverted sensor, they're more focused on their memories and so for them, what will really make them feel loved is feeling remembered, knowing that you remember them and you value your memories with them and that you share traditions with them, and so on. Then for the introverted thinker, in a sense it's quality time, but it's specifically the quality time of exploring ideas together. 

08:55
The next one is the feelers. Extroverted feelers are always thinking about the value of things in the external world, so particularly relationships. You could call them connectors. So this is the quintessential quality time person. They just like being with people and doing things with people, because there's also introverted feeling, which is sort of unifier or conscience. Basically, it also cares about relationships, but it is more focused on the group than on the individual, and so the introverted feeler cares about values and cares about things that would be disruptive to the harmony of the group. 

09:37
The final is intuition, which again comes in two forms. The extroverted form of intuition is the brainstormer constantly coming up with ideas and variations on a theme, and for them the love language is actually surprise. For them, the love language is actually surprise, and so it can look like gifts, but it's specifically the surprise facet that they're responding to. But my first wife had an exquisitely well-developed brainstormer function and one year she threw me two surprise parties one weekend after the other, because she knew I would figure out the first one, but she thought there was a chance that the second one would still be a surprise. 

10:18 - Stacey Grant (Host)
What's the final one? 

10:20 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Yeah, so then the other version of intuition is introverted, and that is a really interesting function. It's called the seer, and what it does is it processes symbols. It's called the seer and what it does is it processes symbols and as a facet of that, it foresees the future, or foretells the future, constructs a vision of the future. It's tricky, because eight is a big enough number that there's a lot to wrap your head around. 

10:45 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
And everyone is nuanced for sure. Yes, let's talk about the different walks, and four different walks, four different gestures. I've heard you mention that in prior. 

10:54 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Yeah. So to optimally use this, you want to be able to figure out, you know what their frequency is, which means you want to be able to figure out what their most mature function is and also what this gesture function of theirs is. And to do it can be tricky, but there are a couple of ways in which people just telegraph what their particular frequencies are, their cognitive functions, and so one of the ways is, by the way they walk. One kind of walk is reminiscent of a charging bull. It's somebody who walks energetically. Typically their neck is leaned forward, like they're lowering their horns. They are very focused, looking straight ahead, goal-directed, not distracted at all. 

11:49
And those people are characterized by kind of two things. One is that they tend to be focused on giving and taking, mostly giving orders, and not so much on asking or answering questions. They tend to kind of ignore those. And they're also initiators, which is to say, in new situations they jump in. They will be the first to approach someone who's a stranger to them, and their sort of motto is that it's worth it to go ahead and take action. There's also a related one which I refer to as a glide, and this is a very kind of honed, energy, conserving, smooth way of walking, also forward, focused and not distracted. But instead of feeling full of energy, instead it feels very conserving of energy. And there's a great example of this if you've ever watched game of thrones in the, in the uh, very beginning of the first episode, the first season, uh, lady stark is walking through the castle and it's almost as though she's walking on what I call them flatulators those, those people mover things they have at airports it it's almost like she's on one of those. 

13:10
It's. It's such a smooth walk, okay, um, and so these people also are tend to be focused on giving and take mostly taking orders, um, but, and and tend to ignore questions. Um, but they're responders. They tend to hang back, uh, waiting for someone else to initiate an interaction gliders and takers. 

13:29 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
So so how does that the glider and the charger? How does that relate back to the love languages or how to approach them? You said that's their walk, is telegraphing who they are and what frequencies they're on for these love languages. What's the connection? 

13:44 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
You have to both look at the way they walk and also the way they gesture and between those two pieces. That provides all the clues that you need. So, as an Italian Okay, we're going to talk about gestures now the way they gesture and between those two pieces that provides all the clues that you need, so, as an italian. 

13:55 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Okay, I gesture, gestures now I gesture quite frequently. 

13:59 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Um, give me an idea of what you mean by the gestures. Hey guys, thanks for listening. If you like what you're hearing, please leave us a review, give us a follow, subscribe, subscribe all those things. All those things. We love it because we read each and every comment and it helps shape the show, so we would appreciate it. 

14:16 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Please, and back to the show. 

14:19 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
When people gesture, there are characteristic ways they use their hands and for one type they use their hands like their claws. This is the characteristic gesture of the knowledge seeker. So another type you'll see looks like this Jazz hands, yeah, and so a really great example. 

14:41
this is Bernie Sanders. If you ever watch him talk, he's always using his hands like they are wings or perhaps fins. So that's very characteristic of an identity seeker or idealist is another way they're described. Another way they're described is catalyst, because they tend to be the ones who, you know, kind of make things happen in certain ways. Those are actually less common. More common are the, the poke, using your finger like it's a stick. That's characteristic of sensation seekers. And then, finally, there are people who use their, use their hands like it's a cleaver and oh God, that's me. 

15:28 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
This is how I make. This is how I talk. 

15:30 - Stacey Grant (Host)
It is he does that I bang the table. What is it? Is it bad? No, it's me. This is how I talk all the time. It is he does that I bang the table. Wait, wait, what is it? Is it bad? No, it's bad, it's not. 

15:36 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
This is characteristic of security seekers Ha ha and then and they also will use their will gesture like they're holding reins in their hands, like they're, you know, riding a horse. I have no idea why. For any of these, it's just a. It's a pattern that David Keirsey noticed. 

15:57 - Stacey Grant (Host)
I know people are going to be like source. 

15:59 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Yes, yeah, david Keirsey wrote about this. Okay, he has a. He's written really insightfully on temperament, which is what the gestures are about. We haven't talked yet about the stroll form of walking. Let's go back to that. 

16:11 - Stacey Grant (Host)
I kind of bounce when I walk, I think. 

16:13 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Yeah, yeah. So the bounce, think of Tigger, think also of I'll never not think of Tigger when I see you now, oh boy. 

16:20 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Now look what you've done. Andy. Think also I know I'm sorry, I'm not thinking about Stacey. Stacey's a wonderful thing, so thing about this. 

16:25 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
So let me emphasize all of things are. All of these are awesome things because there are superpowers that come along with each of these combinations um, what's the bouncer superpower? Oh god, I need to hear this the, the bouncer's superpower is that, uh, linda barron's calls them get things going that's you. 

16:44 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
That is totally true. I, I love it. 

16:46 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
And their outlook is. It's worth it to get people involved and motivated, and so their ability to basically raise an army makes them able to make things happen in ways that other people can't, and a lot of times entrepreneurs, for example. 

17:03 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
You're making her feel way too good. 

17:04 - Stacey Grant (Host)
I feel really good right now. What's the bad part? 

17:05 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Well, you're less likely to plan, because that's pretty much opposite your inclinations. When you're not at your best, you tend to kind of descend into chaos, oops. 

17:20 - Stacey Grant (Host)
He's nailing it. He's nailing it. 

17:24 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
You can think of and so you need know, you need to focus when that happens. Oh boy, Squirrel. 

17:30
But see, the thing is, you know, each of these interaction styles as Kiersey, you know, describes them has specific, you know, sort of superpowers but also specific pitfalls. The glide sort of walk is characteristic of people who tend to be too easily frightened. The charging bull walk is characteristic of people who tend to be too confrontational. And the stroll is characteristic of uh. If you ever saw the invention of lying with ricky gervais, um, he's kind of a. A good example of of uh, what linda barron's refers to as the uh behind the scenes uh interaction style. So these are people very focused on uh, answering and asking questions, tend to ignore orders, um and uh, the uh kind of, and they're also responders uh. Whereas the Tigger type initiates interactions with others. 

18:35 - Stacey Grant (Host)
I'm trying to find out what Mark does. 

18:37 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
I can answer that. 

18:38 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Go. 

18:38 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
My question was what happens when a stroller marries a lion. What was it called? 

18:43 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Charger. 

18:43 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
A charger. I am a charger, 100%. Oh, he's a charger and my wife is a stroller. 

18:47 - Stacey Grant (Host)
He's totally a charger. 

18:49 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
That's actually ideal. Oh, he's a charger and my wife is a stroller. He's totally a charger. 

18:50 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
That's actually ideal oh there we go. 

18:51 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Because what happens is I mean. So, first of all, they're obviously a person who is oriented towards giving and taking orders and ignoring questions with a person who is oriented towards answering, asking questions and ignoring orders. There will be conflict there, but there will also be balance. 

19:10 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Do the hands match the walks, like is there? Like what? If you're an axer and a charger, then you're an ax murderer, right, so so? 

19:23 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
let me, let me keep doing it. The cleaver types are traditionalists. They're focused on logistics, keep doing it, memories and trying to make sense of them. But if they're the charging bull type, they're actually using extroverted thinking even more than they're using that facility. 

19:54 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Wow. Well, there you go. That makes a lot of sense, it does. 

19:57 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
That particular classification is called the supervisor. It's your kind of stereotypical middle manager type, and we live in a world that's run on natural selection and sexual selection. And it turns out that those four gestures are actually tied to sexual selection, and those four walking styles are actually tied to natural selection. 

20:19 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Wow, that's cool how you just did that. 

20:21 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Okay, yes, and so I cool how you just did that, okay, yes. And so I wish I was smart like Andy. 

20:27 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
So do I? Aw, no, I meant I wish you were smart like Andy Blush. Blush, shut up. 

20:33 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Yeah. 

20:34 - Stacey Grant (Host)
You know I love you. Sorry, andy, that was wonderful. Don't listen to him. 

20:38 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
Okay, what's next for you? Okay? 

20:43 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
What's next for you? Well, I'm busy trying to write up. You know various about these love frequencies. I also have written a book about how Newton came up with his ideas using what he knew from Fermat and Galileo and Kepler, and how you could have done it yourself, potentially, if you understood high school algebra? 

21:10 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Well, obviously me. I did not understand high school algebra. Yeah, absolutely, that's amazing. 

21:15 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
I'm living high school algebra right now and I don't understand it. 

21:18 - Stacey Grant (Host)
So right now you have books or you have a podcast. 

21:20 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
I have a podcast Now I get it with Dr Andy. Okay, Do you right now? 

21:22
you have books or you have a podcast. I have a podcast Now I get it with Dr Andy Okay when I talk about some, all of these things, everything that crosses my radar screen. That I think is interesting. And I also made a mathematical discovery that's very elementary but I find very beautiful, which is that it turns out that there's one little mathematical idea that you can use to generate all of the different things that people study in mathematics and so it kind of gives a. It's kind of like a unified you know, grand, unified theory of math. 

21:53 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
That sounds like a huge deal, have you not? 

21:55 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Yeah, are you dropping? Are you dropping that? You're dropping that here, right? Did you just announce this? Do we just have an announcement? 

22:03 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
Well, I've mentioned it to people who ask questions on Quora, so it's not. It's not breaking news, but you will probably publicize it far more than people looking for technical answers to math questions. 

22:18 - Stacey Grant (Host)
That's cool. And how can we reach you? Where can we? 

22:20 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
find you? Where can people find you? 

22:29 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
So there are some links on the uh, uh now I get it with dr andy podcast um and uh. There's my linkedin page. 

22:32 - Mark Lubragge (Host)
I'm on facebook, I find you. 

22:33 - Stacey Grant (Host)
Yeah, those are all great places that's awesome well, I can't thank you enough. 

22:37 - Dr. Andy Winkler (Host)
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