The ONE Question That Will Get Kids To Actually Talk

Discover the ONE question that will transform your relationship with your child at any age. 

Former school resource officer Carlamay Sheramata spent years helping kids through their most difficult moments - and noticed many couldn't talk to their own parents about what they were going through. In this eye-opening interview, she reveals the simple strategies that create a safe space where youth feel comfortable sharing difficult truths, including one powerful question that changed everything for hosts Mark and Stacey.

Whether your kids are teenagers or adults in their 20s and 30s, these communication tools work. Learn how to become the person your child turns to when facing life's challenges.

Carlamay's book "Youth Truth: Engaging in Conversations That Can Change Lives" is available on Amazon.

Chapters:

00:00 - Introduction and parenting communication challenges
02:12 - Meet Carlamay: From police officer to youth communication expert
03:21 - Creating safe spaces where youth feel valued and heard
04:48 - Gaming with your child: How 15 minutes changed everything
05:55 - The mistake most parents make: Too many questions
07:20 - Quality over quantity: Understanding your child's love language
08:31 - The power of "windshield conversations" while driving
09:18 - When shame and guilt prevent honest communication
10:19 - What school resource officers hear that parents don't
12:36 - Why kids talk to everyone else before their parents
13:46 - Three keys to getting your kids to open up
16:27 - Handling difficult revelations as a parent
18:13 - THE ONE QUESTION: "What do you need from me now?"
20:06 - Youth Truth: Stories and tools from the book
22:31 - Setting "guardrails" instead of boundaries


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Transcript

00:02 - Stacey (Host)
Mark, does your son talk to you? 

00:04 - Mark (Host)
He does. I'm very fortunate we have a very good relationship of talking. 

00:09 - Stacey (Host)
There's never been a single time when you've tried to talk to him. 

00:12 - Mark (Host)
Oh, plenty of those Right. I just mean overall. Overall you have a good relationship. I'm very pleased with where we are. Yeah, connecting wise. 

00:18 - Stacey (Host)
Because today's guest, carla Mae Shara Mata, talks about how she wrote this book called Youth Truth, where she actually helps parents who are having, you know, difficulties speaking to their kids, which I think is all of us at some point in time and all the kids hide stuff from their parents because they don't want to talk to their parents? 

00:37 - Mark (Host)
Of course not. I said to her I'm like don't all kids talk to other people before? 

00:39 - Stacey (Host)
they talk to their parents, everybody else. I really think it's hard to get all kids talk to other people before they talk to their parents. Everybody else, I really think it's hard to get them to talk to you about the really important. The really important scary stuff. 

00:54 - Mark (Host)
But she has tools. She has tools, she does, she can break the code, she's got it yeah. I learned a lot and I think you said at one point like I wish I had had you when my kids were younger, I know I learned a lot. And I think you said at one point like I wish I had had you when my kids were younger, and I mean my son's 15, but even so, like it would have been helpful to have this knowledge at the age of 12. 

01:10 - Stacey (Host)
But even for parents like me who have kids that are older, right, so my kids are 25 and 24. There's still hints in there on how to talk to your kids and she said one thing I'm not going to tell you, but she said one nugget in there that I think just totally shifted my paradigm, you're right, it doesn't matter how old they are. 

01:29 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, I mean, yours are in their 20s, mine's a teenager. The same thing applies and her nugget of wisdom applies. 

01:34 - Stacey (Host)
Or if you're a grandparent, or if you're an uncle or cousin. You can use any of these tools. It's a problem that we all know, we all accept as part of growing up, but they're not telling you some important things. I mean, this woman is a school resource officer. 

01:51 - Mark (Host)
For eight and a half years she was a policeman. She heard some stuff from kids right that she had to pull the parents in on and there's you want them telling you that's pretty much it. 

01:58 - Stacey (Host)
It would be great In the perfect world, they would tell you everything, but it's difficult. 

02:12 - Mark (Host)
Well, you're're gonna learn how. Enjoy. Hi, I'm stacy and I am mark, and this is the gurus of game changers podcast. Everybody, welcome to the show. So today's guest, carla may. Shara mata was a police officer for over 20 years, but eight and a half of those years she spent as a school resource officer. Carla Mae is here to help. She wants to show us all how to better talk to our kids and engage them in the hard conversations now. So the next time they need a go-to, that go-to is you, carla Mae welcome to the show, thank you. 

02:42 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Thanks for having me. 

02:43 - Stacey (Host)
Hi, carla Mae, so awesome to have you here. So one of the things Mark talked about was oh, I thought you were going to clap. 

02:52 - Mark (Host)
I'm not clapping. 

02:53 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
You didn't even ask me to clap. I know Fantastic question. I'll start again. 

02:56 - Stacey (Host)
I'll start again, fantastic having you here, Carla Mae. So you wrote a book called Youth Truth, where you speak about parents is creating what you call safe spaces where youth feel valued and heard. 

03:11 - Mark (Host)
What do you mean by? 

03:12 - Stacey (Host)
that, Because I think we all feel like well, at least I do and I think you do feel like we're creating safe spaces, so how can we get safer? 

03:20 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Well. 

03:21
So, yes, I did write the book Youth Truth, engaging in conversations that can change lives, and I think, when we look at as adults ourselves, we want to be valued, we want to be heard, we want to be seen, and that goes exactly with the youth as well. 

03:35
Especially in today's world phones and all this kind of stuff so much noise around that I think our youth are getting lost, and so creating a safe space can look so differently with so many people. 

03:51
For some people, a safe space for youth would be sitting down with them and learning how to game right as a parent. They may never have talked about anything, but if you, as a parent, take the time and say, hey, you know what, for 10 minutes, 15 minutes, can you show me how to game and you can roll your eyes all you want inside your head, because if you hate gaming, but that 10 or 15 minutes with your kid that opens up so much and takes down so many walls and your child all of a sudden feels valued and they feel that you actually have heard and seen them and you know what the next time they need something or are worried about something, all of a sudden, you'll get a hey mom, or hey, dad, can I talk to you about something? Mom says she cannot get her son away from gaming and they do not talk. Even at the dinner table, everybody sits quiet. The parents will ask questions and you know you get the. 

04:48 - Stacey (Host)
I don't know how and I don't like it either, but she said she went down, spent that time with her son. 

04:53 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
They didn't talk about anything except you know how to use the controller. She said two weeks later, her son came up and started talking to her about some bullying that was going on and she said she didn't realize that this bullying had been going on for a while. She had watched her son change but she did not know how to open that kind of communication that barrier that was there. 

05:39 - Stacey (Host)
I was guilty of peppering my kids with questions and I would never get an answer. You know, how was school? How did you do on that test? How are your friends? You know, and those are questions that we would ask each other. Sure, no problem. 

05:55
We would get an answer from you know another adult, but I am assuming that kids maybe feel a little bit like mom you're peppering me with questions. That doesn't feel like something I want to answer and they kind of want to answer on their own time. I know I'm sort of like recapping and this is your gig, but one of the things, one of the things that my daughter's therapist I walked through an eating disorder with my daughter and she went to a therapist and it was eye opening because I, we couldn't talk. And the therapist said to me how about you just go down in her room when she's by herself and ask her if you can just come and sit with her and do not say a thing? Stacey, do not ask a single question. And that's what I did and to this day, like we have the best relationship and for a lot of the time during her teenage years, we didn't talk but we just spent time together. Is that kind of? Am I on the right track? 

06:49 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Well, it's huge. So quality versus quantity is so big I had. So I have a 16 year old son and I had an idea what his love language was. But I had him actually take that love language quiz for teens and it was quality time. You could get him anything. You could take him anywhere, you know, do his laundry, when it was even just sitting together, not even talking, but just being in that same room. That is what Ollie wanted, and so I learned very quickly. 

07:20
even if we're watching a show, put my phone down, don't check emails but just put the phone down, spend that time with him and again that safe space looks so different for all the kids. So many times I've actually had to tell parents literally just shut up, right, like just shut your mouth, because we, we do, we feel we know everything right and we, as soon as our kids say something, we stop listening because we have the answer, we know what we're going to say Right, and so instead of doing that active listening, we shut down. 

07:53
And so when we start telling our kids, well, do this, or I know better because this happened to me they don't want to hear that. Sometimes they just want to talk and just want to be heard, with nobody trying to fix something or to give them some kind of advice. And that's hard as a parent, because we know it all Right, it's definitely hard and it seems so commonsensical. 

08:15 - Stacey (Host)
but you know you start to listen to them and you just want to ask them more questions and you just think that that's the right thing to do, but they really just don't want you to talk. 

08:22 - Mark (Host)
Right, and especially if something's not perfect. You're all over that. 

08:25 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Sometimes even going for a drive. I call it windshield conversation, right? Windshield time. 

08:31 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, yeah. 

08:31 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Because they don't. You know, I think parents sometimes have the best conversations driving their kids to and from um activities or school. Uh, because you don't have to actually look at somebody, you just talk right, and sometimes even you know, you'll start singing together with the radio and it kind of just starts triggering and bringing stuff up. 

08:54 - Stacey (Host)
Do you think it might be like the eye contact thing, where you're like staring at your kid and asking them questions and they start to feel uncomfortable. But if you're sort of parallel with them or if they're in, you know, the rear view mirror, maybe just that feels safer? 

09:08 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
And sometimes I think that is, and I think the kids, it's that shame, sometimes too where that shame and guilt of wondering, you know, am I going to be judged? 

09:18
What will my parents say? And I bring this forward because you know, when kids have been raised in very religious households or places where you've been told you know, for instance, no sex before marriage, you better not be doing this, you can't date, you can't all this kind of stuff. And all of a sudden you know there's pregnancy or there is an eating disorder or there is domestic violence. How do you talk to your parents about something like that when there's already so much shame and guilt and judgment feeling inside for yourself as a youth? 

09:50 - Mark (Host)
So I mean there's's, there's, there's everyday teenage. I don't want to talk to my parents, right, every teenager goes through that and I'd say that's what we probably experienced with a 15 year old son right, or even in someone in their 20s or older whatever kids, no matter how old, then there's. 

10:07
I can't say this, yeah, to my parent. Like what is that like? Because'm sure, as a school resource officer, that's what you were dealing with more than I don't want to tell. I don't want to answer my mom when she asked me if I like any girls. 

10:19 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Yeah, well, and that's that's the biggest thing is when they would come in and they would just, they'd literally start crying. Even some of these I want to call them like the macho, like the football guys, right, they'd come in and we just kind of would sit and shoot the breeze. You know, I could sense that they were in there for there was something more, so they would start bringing something up. So I'd ask well, have you talked to your parents? And they would break down because that was the biggest thing they could not talk to their parents about some of these issues. And what I really learned and what I wrote about in the book was the amount of parents that either had an inkling something was going on but didn't know how to ask the questions, or the parents that you know they were so busy in their own lives going on, those parents would come in and I had parents break down in tears because so many of them wished that they actually had taken that time. 

11:14
So now, now you kind of open up, I guess, the floodgates and you start talking about what was going on in your kids lives, and these parents so many of them I actually watched literally change because the parents that these kids thought were kind of those hard parents. All of a sudden they started talking to their kids about bullying that they had been through or suicide attempts that had happened, and their kids looked at them in very different ways. And all of a sudden there was that connection and I know that some of these parents were ashamed themselves because this triggered stuff for them that maybe they hadn't dealt with. Or now they realize that the pain that they went through, their own kids are now going through the same or similar pain, even with suicide. 

12:04
So many people it's still such a stigma so many people are afraid to say are you, are you feeling like hurting yourself? Because they feel, well, the kids are going to think about doing it. You know what. They've thought about it already. Some even have planned of the method that they're going to use. So if you just even open that up oh my goodness, you watch this youth all of a sudden feel that they can release and they've got somebody that they can actually talk to now that there's not going to be judgment, because they're understood. 

12:36 - Stacey (Host)
Wow, Carla Mae, don't you think sometimes it's easier for kids to talk to someone other than their parents anyway? So I think for sure my kids would tell someone else something before they would tell me right? So I don't want parents to feel like ashamed that their kids won't talk to them. 

12:54 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
When I wrote the book, I was thinking for anybody who is an advocate of a youth, because grandparents, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters especially if they've got older brothers and sisters or they have siblings from half brothers and sisters it is amazing how many of our kids go and talk to the outside ones, or even coaches. You know the amount of times I had coaches give me a call and say I think this is going on but I'm not sure how to approach this. Teachers all of a sudden get talked to and sometimes they sit back and go. How do I deal with this? Or what do I say? 

13:29 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah. 

13:30 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
So I think there's so many important people in our youth's lives. 

13:34 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, that's important to have them still talk to the other people, but then you do want them to talk to you. What would you tell parents who really want their kids to talk to them? 

13:46 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Well, first off is again creating safe spaces, being nonjudgmental, active listening. Those are three big, big ones that are so, so important. 

13:57 - Mark (Host)
It's a toughie, so I know you get a lot of training to become a school resource officer, right. I looked it up. I wasn't sure what you know, what it all involved, but certainly you talked to him about crime prevention, safety measures, conflict resolution. Nowhere in here did it say therapist, but it sounds like what you deal with a lot is exactly that. So at what point are you legally obligated to tell a parent something that a student tells you? 

14:24 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
That's actually a good question. 

14:28 - Stacey (Host)
Killing it today. 

14:29 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
One of the ways that I really worked was I made sure that when I was talking to the youth, I let them know right off the bat that it was very important that what we're talking about, the parents need to be involved, and this even came down to when kids were talking to me about sex, because I had I had young kids and again one of the stories in there of a 14 year old coming in and wishing his parents would have talked to him about sex and about what the first time was all about and how it wasn't what he had dreamed or thought of or anything like that. 

15:01 - Stacey (Host)
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15:23 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
His story went on that somebody videotaped it and then it ended up going viral and so now parents had to be involved, like no matter what. But you know, we look at with age of consent in Canada is 16, right, so at 14, that is actually illegal for them to be doing. So when all of a sudden you're looking at two 14 or 15 year olds, for instance, say both consensual but having sex, now all of a sudden you've got to get parents involved. I laid it out right off the bat when I was talking with the youth that it would be very important to get our parents involved, but I would be with them every step of the way. So, whatever that would look like and there was some very uneasy like for myself, even as a police officer sitting in with some of these conversations very uneasy times because I had parents get up, walk out and say I don't want to have anything to do with my kid, and so then it breaks my heart. 

16:24 - Mark (Host)
And then why would they say that? Because of what the child did. 

16:27 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Well, either, what the child did I mean when you're, when you're talking about, for instance, a very conservative family and you've got a youth, you know, yeah, trying to decide what they are. 

16:38
Right, right and so, and this was back then. It wasn't like it was today. When that was happening. I think there was only one or two that I can actually remember where the parents were like you're dealing with my kid on your own, but where the parents had to kind of go home, decompress, take some breaths and then go. You know what, you're still my child and I will love you, no matter what. 

17:03 - Stacey (Host)
Wow you must be a very patient person, Carla Mae. 

17:05 - Mark (Host)
Yeah, you're a special type of person. 

17:06 - Stacey (Host)
Yes, for sure, and you have. You said you had a son who's 16. Yes, how do you apply your philosophy with him? 

17:16 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Well, I thought I did really well usually. And then there was times I was getting these one-word answers. I asked him regarding if there was bullying, if there was stuff going on. He said no, you know, mom, he goes. I actually have been very fortunate I haven't had to deal with any of that. And so I kind of brought forward what I had dealt with in school and what had happened to me, and so we would sit and chat a bit about that and I've had the privilege of being able to drive him to and from school. And you know, before he got his license, and one of the mornings I just said to him you know, as you get older, you go through your seasons of change. And I said and me, as a parent, I'm going through mine because you don't need me like you used to. So I said can you really think about what that looks like for you and what you need from me now? Because I think I know, but I don't want to make an assumption. That's great. 

18:13 - Mark (Host)
Wow, that is so good. I'm stealing that. You don't have to steal that. 

18:17 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
That's fantastic, I should have tested it. 

18:19 - Mark (Host)
I think I'm going that you gotta steal that, that's fantastic. 

18:20 - Stacey (Host)
I should have tested it. I think I'm gonna use that for my 25-year-old son. What do you need from him now? 

18:23 - Mark (Host)
That's an interesting way to use it. 

18:24 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
That's beautiful. I did a talk for C-suite groups and it ended up actually going into talking about, as grandparents and as parents of older kids, what that looked like, because I had a couple people come up. Their kids are in their 30s and they said what you talked about I'm actually going to use with my 30 year old, because sometimes I feel like I just don't get them and I don't know where they're coming from. 

18:51 - Stacey (Host)
Well, I mean your whole perspective changes as the kid changes on what you're supposed to be and how you're supposed to be with that child. 

18:59 - Mark (Host)
Yes, and you think you're the same because it's your child. I know, and you still see them their view is completely different and it's hard not to see them as a kid. 

19:08 - Stacey (Host)
So my kid is now 25. He's got his own life going on. He has, and, like I, want to hang out with him all the time. And you're still mom. Right, I'm still his mom and I still want to help him with stuff and he doesn't need me the same way that he needed me when he was younger. So, yeah, I love that. Yeah, tell me what you need from me now what? 

19:28 - Mark (Host)
do you need from me now? That's a mic drop. Is the answer going to be I'm good, I don't need anything from you now, mom, and you know what. 

19:34 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
But I think that also opens it up to the fact of maybe in two or three weeks they might come back and say hey, mom, you know when you asked me that right now this is what I'm struggling with, or this is what I need from you right now, and that again just opens kind of the door to different things. 

19:52 - Stacey (Host)
That's the theme. It's just leave the door open, don't ever shut that door. Actionable stuff. So from your book, what, how does? How does your book work? I haven't had a chance to read it yet, so tell me how your book works and how people can learn things from it. 

20:06 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Sure, so I've got. Can I just show I don't know if everybody can yes, please. It's called Youth Truth. So cute, oh, thanks. I wanted excitement and color and that kind of stuff. So the first nine chapters are stories from the kids and the youth themselves, and it's stories dealing with suicide, eating disorders, pregnancy what a healthy relationship is? Domestic violence, social media, bullying, all of that that we as kids, when we were young, we went through the exact same things. But because now of social media and phones, kids can't shut it off. We at least got to walk off the bus or walk up to our house. And for the next what? 12, 18 hours it was quiet. 

20:54
We didn't have to deal with it unless we had siblings that were bullies, right, but other than that we could shut stuff off. Nowadays it's 24-7. So the first nine chapters we're dealing with that and it's stories from the kids themselves of what they had gone through, what worked with their parents, what they wish their parents, their friends, would have known and even talked to them about. The last chapter dives into the tools and how these tools can be used by any. You know youth advocates, by anybody who has a youth in their life, and how important they are, and I think even for youth ages 12 and up. This is a great resource to let kids know they're not alone, that there is somebody out there that has struggled with something that they have gone through maybe not the same way, but that they are not alone Is there like a list of tools, and then you work through those tools. 

21:52 - Stacey (Host)
What are? 

21:52 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
they. So finding safe spaces is one of the tools, right? Active listening is one of the kind of the power of what active listening is Honest and open conversations. So that means being honest yourself with your youth, right? And if you don't know anything or don't know something that they're talking about, tell them you don't. Right, it's okay. Empathy and compassion, what that looks like For parents, what the role of community looks like. You're not the only one that's going through this. So how can you, as a parent, get other parents involved? 

22:28 - Mark (Host)
so you can have that support. 

22:31 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Right. And then, you know, just empowering our own youth, so helping them to come up with ideas of what may work. We talk about boundaries and sometimes boundaries have a negative feel to them. So I kind of talk about guardrails, because guardrails are there for our protection. And so, as parents you know, when we used to pick our kids' clothes out, we'd, you know, lay out, say, three outfits you can choose from this and that was our guardrail right, yeah, but. 

23:03
And then the kids are like right on, I can choose one of these three. But we knew that these three were really really good and that, no matter what they chose, I never did that. 

23:12 - Stacey (Host)
Carla Mae, that's good that you did that. You have a choice. Your kids look good. 

23:16 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Yeah, but you know, the kids know. Okay, I can make my choice, though, right there it's a choice within the guardrails. 

23:25 - Stacey (Host)
Yes, and something is just as easy as that do you think the key also is relating, or do they want to? Do they not want to hear the stories of when you were a kid like? You know, I mean, you're probably right, I don't know like yeah mom, I know you walked uphill both ways, you know did the bus stop and you didn't have your phone and whatever like yeah what do you think? 

23:45 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
well, I think sometimes they're good, especially if you've gone through stuff Like, for instance, if you have gone through suicide or eating disorders, what they're dealing with now. It may be a similar issue, but it's not the same as when we went through stuff. Yeah, and again, things haven't changed, like the bullying hasn't changed, but the way that people bully now has changed, because you've got cyber bullying, you've got all of that stuff. Now, right, and even with suicide, we, we would talk about stuff, or now they can actually go online and see things and see methods and that kind of stuff. We didn't have that back then. Eating disorders, that was. You know, that was like a faux pas. You don't, never talked about that. But now you go online and people are showing you how to do stuff. Yeah, right, so it is so different. And the minute I think you tell your kid oh, I totally understand that a lot of times just wipes everything out. What's? 

24:42 - Mark (Host)
driving the most distance between a parent and their child. 

24:45 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Great question. 

24:46 - Stacey (Host)
Mark Worth the wait. 

24:47 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Nope, I think the harshness. We were raised very differently than life now and it was like you know what? No tears, you better suck it up. This is where I've seen it a lot, where a kid comes and says you know, I'm really struggling with this, or can you help me save with homework? Well, you should know how to do it. What are they teaching you in school? Like right away, they go into this kind of thing, or he goes into. Well, this is how it should be done. 

25:15
Instead of you know what, let's sit down and go through even writing an essay. What does that look like for you? And when your kid comes to you and asks you a question or says something or doesn't understand something, you know what? Take a step back, take a breath and go. Okay, if this was me, how would I want somebody to answer me? Right, if you want somebody to answer softly and with compassion, then don't bring out that harshness, because you will shut your kid down so fast. So what's next for you, carly Mae will shut your kid down so fast. So what's next for you, carly Mae? Well, I've been doing keynote speaking now and I've been able to do some workshops, which I'm doing. I've started doing a bunch of family mediation, even for some youth that have gotten into trouble with the law. Sometimes parents are stuck and again there's that embarrassment, there's just that shame. So how do they go around and work with these youth now and their youth now? Well, we love you. 

26:13 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, let's see the book. 

26:14 - Mark (Host)
one more time, because I think there's a lot of valuable information. 

26:16 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Oh yes. 

26:17 - Mark (Host)
There we go, it's true. 

26:19 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
And it's on Amazon and IngramSparks. 

26:22 - Stacey (Host)
That's great. 

26:23 - Mark (Host)
Your little face is like beside it talking about that's amazing conversation, Well thank you so much for coming on the show. 

26:28 - Stacey (Host)
It's been great, carla, it's been wonderful, I think you're going to help a lot of parents 100%, and you already have. 

26:33 - Carlamay Sheremata (Guest)
Thank you, so thank you so much. Thank you so much. I was just honored to be here, that's great, loved having you All right and thank. 

26:46 - Stacey (Host)
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